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May 21 2022 11:31am
Quote (Goomshill @ May 21 2022 12:34pm)
Manslaughter for refusing medical aid? Well glad we can just make up laws where they don't exist. Usually the way the law works is that you have to write a law first, then apply it to people. But as per Shaw v DPP under the King's Law, you can circumvent ex post facto law by simply convicting people of laws that don't exist, thus not needing to apply them retroactively, because retroactive law implies a law exist. Clever bit of reasoning by the barristers in that one.

But yes, everyone else is biased, and I have the magical insight of common sense, basic reasoning and not participating in lynch mobs.


A lynch mob is a group of four men holding a guy down while he suffocates in an illegal chokehold. For the first time in American history a lynch mob was persecuted and you're all up in arms about it.

Using an illegal choke hold on a guy for 9 minutes resulting in death is textbook manslaughter.

Nowhere in the link does it have the 17 year old be in a 9 minute choke hold lol. What a deflection and step away from the situation.

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May 21 2022 11:49am
i wonder why none of these other stories count?
Tony Timpa Died After Cops Kneeled on His Back and Joked About It.
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May 23 2022 08:44pm


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I can think of one thing that has changed

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I can think of one thing that has changed


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May 24 2022 03:57am
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And I just want to go back to the part about the claim George Floyd had some super tolerance to Fentanyl that made the dose survivable

This is the same thing as the magic goldilocks scenario argument: its an unfalsifiable theory based on no evidence. It serves only to excuse the evidence against it, a theory in spite of evidence. There's no physical evidence or medical history to support the idea Floyd had any tolerance to fentanyl. There's no journals or footage of him dosing up steadily. Its pure speculation. And there's a mountain of evidence he was just the opposite, extremely at risk of dropping dead from drug use. His heart wasn't healthy enough for walking around let alone downing a bag of drugs. He had a near-death experience with the same drugs earlier. He had like six different lethal heart conditions. His arterial blockage was so bad its a minor medical miracle he was still alive after drug use, sex and other exertion.

In a normal trial, its the prosecutors job to first make sure the guy they are bringing to trial is guilty, then lay out the incontrovertible factual case he is guilty. Its the defense's job to spin a yarn of doubt by theorizing and making up implausible speculative explanations, because they can't contradict the facts. In this trial, the roles were reversed and standard of proof inverted. The defense laid out the incontrovertible factual case he was innocent, the prosecution conjured up doubts by theorizing about drug tolerance, theorizing about how Chauvin could somehow use just the exact amount of force needed to choke Floyd enough to inhibit his breathing, but not leave a mark nor fully asphyxiate him. Because we have proof he wasn't fully asphyxiated, and we have proof there was not a single mark. But nobody can disprove an unfalsifiable theory about a magic knee

but none of that matters, folks just wanted their blood sacrifice


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_dose

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In toxicology, the lethal dose (LD) is an indication of the lethal toxicity of a given substance or type of radiation. Because resistance varies from one individual to another, the "lethal dose" represents a dose (usually recorded as dose per kilogram of subject body weight) at which a given percentage of subjects will die.

The median lethal dose, LD50 (abbreviation for "lethal dose, 50%"), LC50 (lethal concentration, 50%) or LCt50 (lethal concentration and time) of a toxin, radiation, or pathogen is the dose required to kill half the members of a tested population after a specified test duration. LD50 figures are frequently used as a general indicator of a substance's acute toxicity. A lower LD50 is indicative of increased toxicity.

The choice of 50% lethality as a benchmark avoids the potential for ambiguity of making measurements in the extremes and reduces the amount of testing required. However, this also means that LD50 is not the lethal dose for all subjects; some may be killed by much less, while others survive doses far higher than the LD50. Measures such as "LD1" and "LD99" (dosage required to kill 1% or 99%, respectively, of the test population) are occasionally used for specific purposes.


You are way too hung up on 11 ng/ml "being a lethal dose" and assume it MUST have killed him.

His weakened heart couldn't pump blood through his constricted body? Glad you've caught up with the rest of the scientific world.
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May 24 2022 05:57am
Quote (Santara @ May 24 2022 04:57am)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_dose

You are way too hung up on 11 ng/ml "being a lethal dose" and assume it MUST have killed him.

His weakened heart couldn't pump blood through his constricted body? Glad you've caught up with the rest of the scientific world.


11 ng/ml of fentanyl was already within the range of a lethal dose for a normal healthy adult male in a vacuum. If a normal healthy adult male was found dead in a hotel room and they only two facts known were that he had 11 ng/ml fentanyl in his system and he was dead, any medical examiner would label it an overdose death and case closed. But George Floyd wasn't normal or healthy, and we knew all other kinds of facts. He was polysubstance abusing, with uppers and downers combined, reducing the thresholds for potentially lethal dosage. Having cardiomegaly to the tune of 540g is something like 3.5 standard deviations past average for an adult man, past the upper limit, a very oversized heart that would struggle to pump blood, a risk of heart failure and cardiac arrest. Having left ventricular hypertrophy shows the heart has already been failing for a long time and struggling to pump blood, weakening the heart and showing a risk of heart failure and cardiac arrest. Having 90% proximal narrowing of the right coronary artery and 75% of other arteries, shows extremely severe end-stage multifocal atherosclerosis. By far the greatest risk factor of acute cardiovascular events resulting in heart failure and cardiac arrest. Then on top of that, we have the evidence showing George Floyd was experiencing shortness of breath and delirium consistent with heart failure prior to being restrained, and evidence supporting that he downed some unknown quantity of fentanyl-laced percocets while in the process of being detained, presumably to try to destroy the evidence. Since we saw the ones he spat back up, which could only have gotten into the cruiser if they were in his mouth before he was put there handcuffed, and the presence of two partially digested pills is reason to deduce there were more pills that he actually did swallow.

His heart wasn't healthy enough for sitting upright in bed, much less doing an entire bag of drugs and seeing how it pans out. An ordinary person might have died with that fentanyl in their system, but someone with extremely severe cardiovascular disease, at risk of dropping dead at any moment even without the presence of drugs? As far as drugs go, it was a one way trip
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May 24 2022 06:07am
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11 ng/ml of fentanyl was already within the range of a lethal dose for a normal healthy adult male in a vacuum. If a normal healthy adult male was found dead in a hotel room and they only two facts known were that he had 11 ng/ml fentanyl in his system and he was dead, any medical examiner would label it an overdose death and case closed. But George Floyd wasn't normal or healthy, and we knew all other kinds of facts. He was polysubstance abusing, with uppers and downers combined, reducing the thresholds for potentially lethal dosage. Having cardiomegaly to the tune of 540g is something like 3.5 standard deviations past average for an adult man, past the upper limit, a very oversized heart that would struggle to pump blood, a risk of heart failure and cardiac arrest. Having left ventricular hypertrophy shows the heart has already been failing for a long time and struggling to pump blood, weakening the heart and showing a risk of heart failure and cardiac arrest. Having 90% proximal narrowing of the right coronary artery and 75% of other arteries, shows extremely severe end-stage multifocal atherosclerosis. By far the greatest risk factor of acute cardiovascular events resulting in heart failure and cardiac arrest. Then on top of that, we have the evidence showing George Floyd was experiencing shortness of breath and delirium consistent with heart failure prior to being restrained, and evidence supporting that he downed some unknown quantity of fentanyl-laced percocets while in the process of being detained, presumably to try to destroy the evidence. Since we saw the ones he spat back up, which could only have gotten into the cruiser if they were in his mouth before he was put there handcuffed, and the presence of two partially digested pills is reason to deduce there were more pills that he actually did swallow.

His heart wasn't healthy enough for sitting upright in bed, much less doing an entire bag of drugs and seeing how it pans out. An ordinary person might have died with that fentanyl in their system, but someone with extremely severe cardiovascular disease, at risk of dropping dead at any moment even without the presence of drugs? As far as drugs go, it was a one way trip


Except guy was straight up chocked on camera for 9 minutes. You don't have an analog to that. You keep making up these other situations and saying it is similar to that and it isn't. You talk about something else entirely and say "see".

You will jump through so many mental hoops to pretend there aren't dirty cops and to pretend that Derek Chauvin didn't murder George Floyd. We get it, you hate George Floyd, but his murder is still a murder, even if he got high earlier that day.

Of course they said he has aggravated delirium. The requirement for aggregated delirium is being black and being killed by a police officer in custody. Every black person ever killed by the police was in an aggravated delirium per the police and uncritical people. Its a meme at this point.

Cause of death was asphyxiation not overdose of fentanyl. He kept saying "I can't breath" as well, so the officer knew he was suffocating him, and casually continued with his hands in his pockets. That is called the banality of evil.

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May 24 2022 06:24am
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Except guy was straight up chocked on camera for 9 minutes. You don't have an analog to that. You keep making up these other situations and saying it is similar to that and it isn't. You talk about something else entirely and say "see".

You will jump through so many mental hoops to pretend there aren't dirty cops and to pretend that Derek Chauvin didn't murder George Floyd. We get it, you hate George Floyd, but his murder is still a murder, even if he got high earlier that day.

Of course they said he has aggravated delirium. The requirement for aggregated delirium is being black and being killed by a police officer in custody. Every black person ever killed by the police was in an aggravated delirium per the police and uncritical people. Its a meme at this point.

Cause of death was asphyxiation not overdose of fentanyl. He kept saying "I can't breath" as well, so the officer knew he was suffocating him, and casually continued with his hands in his pockets. That is called the banality of evil.


What this is called is a defensive mechanism, a hostile reaction to being presented with facts that contradict a preformed viewpoint. A viewpoint that wasn't formed by rational analysis of the facts, but one of prejudice and political narrative. Once people are whipped up into the frenzy of a mob, they can truly believe that woman was a witch, that christian blasphemed against the prophet mohammed, that cop killed that black man. It doesn't matter how much evidence there is to the contrary, how incontrovertible the case is. I don't see you engaging with the facts or trying to walk through any of the logic, because you don't need to. All you needed were emotions.
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May 24 2022 06:32am
You have extermination camps deniers. Then you have Floyd & others related cases deniers.
Same logic, same thing.
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May 24 2022 06:35am
Quote (Skinned @ May 24 2022 02:07pm)
Except guy was straight up chocked on camera for 9 minutes. You don't have an analog to that. You keep making up these other situations and saying it is similar to that and it isn't. You talk about something else entirely and say "see".

You will jump through so many mental hoops to pretend there aren't dirty cops and to pretend that Derek Chauvin didn't murder George Floyd. We get it, you hate George Floyd, but his murder is still a murder, even if he got high earlier that day.

Of course they said he has aggravated delirium. The requirement for aggregated delirium is being black and being killed by a police officer in custody. Every black person ever killed by the police was in an aggravated delirium per the police and uncritical people. Its a meme at this point.

Cause of death was asphyxiation not overdose of fentanyl. He kept saying "I can't breath" as well, so the officer knew he was suffocating him, and casually continued with his hands in his pockets. That is called the banality of evil.


If you're getting choked can you speak? No you can't, you can only gurgle and it wouldn't take 9 minutes for him to pass out when the cop was indeed choking him.

More importantly if career criminal Floyd had simply cooperated he wouldn't have been in that situation. Better yet, he could have tried to get a job just like everybody else instead of walking around with counterfeit bills and he wouldn't have had any trouble that day.

If he was such a good boy as you always claim he wouldn't have had a shitload of illegal drugs in his system either.
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