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Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 17 2021 02:33pm)

Im interested in hearing about these incentivized coops, I've heard of cooperatives but not that particular term. And what are examples of parties that promote these kinds of polices?

Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 17 2021 02:30pm)

If the dems are on the right and by extension id imagine the canadian ndp and liberals to be seen as on the right as well, what do actual lefty parties look like and what are their policies 🤔

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what the fuck is this

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 17 2021 03:38pm)

So right now we incentivize corporations. In fact, corporations themselves are a far-right construct that removes liability from the owners for their actions. In that way, we incentivize corporate ownership. If you want to survive the business world we have different tax structures and whatnot for corporations.

So now imagine instead of being a corporation, you and your friends own a business and each have 20% ownership. When you bring in another person you give them enough ownership so that you all own the same amount of the business and so you still get to vote on everything. Now imagine if this was just assumed to be the default. Instead of the legal structure giving personhood to a corporation, they instead said you get a tax break for having more equal ownership. Instead of incentivizing corporate ownership, you incentivize companies to have equal distribution of ownership of the business. Imagine now that if you even out your pay, the government will give you another tax break, and if your pay is incredibly unequal (you're pay 1000x the lowest paid worker) you get a tax hike on your profits. That again would be incentivizing the same thing.

Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 17 2021 02:49pm)

Why would you want every additional employee to have equal ownership of the business if they don't have the same duties or risks? If my friends and i are good at making pizzas and decide to open up a pizza store, we may need to hire a delivery driver and maybe a cashier to fill those specific duties as salaried employees. What benefit is there in making them part owners of our business?

Examples of companies and parties

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 17 2021 03:34pm)

Okay so I'm giving this more thought, and if we are just staying in the middle of the authoritarian/libertarian axis, then it basically goes









Left <--Communism -- Socialism -- Social Democracy -- Liberalism (Center) -- Progressivism -- Neoliberalism -- Corporatism --> Right



In America 99% of our politicians are between the middle of progressivism and the middle of corporatism. Capitalism basically lives everywhere on this spectrum to the right of socialism.

Bernie wants Social Democracy, where the market is capitalist but with heavy regulation and wealth redistribution so the benefits of the economy are more distributed.

If you go towards the authoritarian (up) from corporatism you end up somewhere around fundamentalist and fascist. If you go down from there you end up with libertarian capitalism or anarcho-capitalism (even though anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron).

If you go towards the authoritarian from communism you end up at some kind of national communism, where not only does the state own everything but they also tell you what you can and can't do. If you go down from communism you end up at anarchy in which nobody tells you what to do but everybody can take everybody else's stuff if they have a real need for it. I.e. nobody can take your x-box, but if you have a year's supply of insulin and I'm going to die without it I can take it.

If you go up from liberalism you end up at some kind of center-nationalism, where the state controls everything but not towards any particular economic goal. If you go down you end up in mutualism where all interactions are voluntary and there is no controlling force or ideology at all. This would be what most people think of when they think of anarchy.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 17 2021 03:54pm)

Perhaps they paid in? Perhaps you didn't have to take on massive risk to start the business because you got a government grant for a needed business.

You're thinking about this in terms of the current system when we are talking about a different system entirely. Under the current system you wouldn't want to split your business. But we're not talking about that.

Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 17 2021 03:49pm)

Why would you want every additional employee to have equal ownership of the business if they don't have the same duties or risks? If my friends and i are good at making pizzas and decide to open up a pizza store, we may need to hire a delivery driver and maybe a cashier to fill those specific duties as salaried employees. What benefit is there in making them part owners of our business?

Examples of companies and parties

Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 17 2021 04:02pm)

We do have the concepts of partnerships in consulting and law firms. Not every employee is a partner ofcourse but people can make their way up to becoming a partner of the firm at which point they buy into it. Pwc, deloitte, ey, etc. It seems like this fits your description no?