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Feb 7 2021 02:57pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 7 Feb 2021 12:23)
If you don't like Amazon's service make your own server farms, or contract a different one. According to Parler's own words they were capable of being up and running within 12 hours of Amazon taking them down.

Amazon does not host Twitter, it hosts one small section of twitter that does not include it's feed of tweets.

If I hadn't heard conservatives say for the past 20 years "if you don't like it start your own" with regards to literally everything (including as an argument to say that businesses should be allowed to kick out black people) then I might have more sympathy.



but the real issue is that conservatives were kings of the algorithm for probably 5 years, and were only suspended when they started sending porn to people (like Sargon) or doxed the families of school shooting victims (Alex Jones). Meanwhile leftist YouTube got the exact treatment you guys are complaining about now. Pro-trans content still rarely gets monetized and is always de-prioritized in searches. I know you want to pretend that these companies are super left, but they aren't. Real leftist content actually gets flagged and removed from searches because criticizing the capitalist system that makes YouTube wealthy is decidedly against their interests. Conservative people are now playing by the rules that leftists have been playing by for their entire existence, and you think it's unfair because conservatives were always given the advantage until now.


Um... AWS removed Parler's access to their source code. They shut them off from the backend. Hence the lawsuit to attempt to restore at least backend services. Given this is back from the 17th, I'm not sure why you'd claim it could be "back up". If AWS had simply turned on the backend long enough for the source to be backed up, then sure, what you're saying is fine.

WTF? You're way behind on what Twitter uses. https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/twitter-expands-aws-partnership-moves-feed-cloud/ as in they only use their datacenters for primarily backup and mirroring. This was one of the concerns, that like a month after Twitter signed a multi year deal that was going to net AWS Millions (Billions?), suddenly AWS goes and nukes a primary competitor that gained MILLIONS of users overnight as Trump announced he'd be using it. Do the math, friend.

I'm not responsible for what conservatives have said to you in the last 20 years. My take is and always was that denial of service based on legal free speech is to be avoided (and is unconstitutional) when it comes to any form of utility. The social media giants are public Utility, and gained that recognition the moment Trump was prevented from blocking people on social media because "He's a public figure in a public space, therefore the public get access." Likewise, banks and payment processers are utilities. The ability to bar people from the economy outright is simply not okay. If a site like JSP wishes to ban you for anything or nothing? Fine. They don't fall under the same category.

Sargon getting suspended for tweeting porn was kind of BS in a way. Twitter allows porn. But it wasn't the "porn" that got him banned. It was direct harassment of another user. Once a person tells you to stop and you continue, it falls on you. He trolled too much and got what was coming in that regard. Regarding Alex Jones, who'd he "dox"? You're going to have to be much more specific on that. As far as "leftist youtubers" I think you're simply lying. There are still fully monetized videos from leftie pedophiles who talk about how "babies can consent". In order to get banned or even demonitized on youtube for "leftist content" it's gotta be pretty extreme. But here's where you're going to really blow your mind: What do I think Leftists should do who get banned or demonitized? Keep on keeping on. Roll over to Parler (if it still existed) or Rumble or Gab or bitchute or minds. I don't think you should stop speaking unless your speech is actively illegal. I may disagree with what you say, but it is your right to say it. Keep speaking. That was the irony of the takedown of Parler. They may have marketed to conservatives during a large conservative banwave, but they came right out and said "Everyone's welcome."

And that gets down to the reality: I don't have a facebook or minds or gab or parler or twitch or anything else. I have a "youtube" account I guess, but not to publish to, just to watch stuff. I'm not a social media type. I simply read the news, from a wide variety of sources, listen to podcasters, again, from a variety of sources, and none of the tech shit really impacts me. You tell me, "Well it effects us more than you!" I say okay, isn't that a problem too? If your freedom of speech is being limited when it's legal speech, why are you okay with it? If platforms that would actually allow YOUR freedom of speech are then being targeted for a monopolistic takedown after a billion dollar contract is signed with their competitor, how can you celebrate it?

And again, where does it end? When Stripe, the primary payment processor of all online payments, the backer of paypall and most other online stores, refuses to process payments for people due solely to legal political speech, what recourse do you have?
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Feb 7 2021 04:23pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 7 2021 03:44pm)
It's not nearly that simple. What is allowed in the algorithm becomes the mainstream over time. Just look at the Q bullshit and the election fraud claims. YouTube's algorithm has been, for a long time, focused on watch time and engagement. Videos by conservatives making people mad over conspiracies is prime for that environment.

If you look at polling on an issue-by-issue basis people are far more liberal than the people they elect, and the rest of the world is far more liberal than that, so it's pretty controversial to say that conservatism is more popular in the mainstream.


We should reflect on why that is. Why is the preference for center-right figures when some "liberal" policy proposals are often popular?

I am talking about the United States, specifically. We are a center-right country.

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We should reflect on why that is. Why is the preference for center-right figures when some "liberal" policy proposals are often popular?

I am talking about the United States, specifically. We are a center-right country.


Because the moneyed interests prefer the right wing position and thats who filters the candidates before we get to vote on them.

Not hard.
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Feb 7 2021 05:09pm
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Because the moneyed interests prefer the right wing position and thats who filters the candidates before we get to vote on them.

Not hard.


This doesn't jive with the brand of rightism that is rising. Right-populism is one of the least loved ideologies. Corporations absolutely hate it. So why is it proliferating online? We should probably try to understand why it's so popular with the laypeople.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 7 2021 08:35am)
Because it won't save them from tyranny.

They'll just be eaten last.


if they win they will live in a pod eating bugs only to come out for their next work assignment. Presenting their azz on demand for their shots n a anal swabbing wearing 5 masks
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This doesn't jive with the brand of rightism that is rising. Right-populism is one of the least loved ideologies. Corporations absolutely hate it. So why is it proliferating online? We should probably try to understand why it's so popular with the laypeople.


This is patently false. Corporate interests loved this exact brand of rightism. The Kochs are single handedly responsible for the tea party having any power. They "absolutely hate it" now that it's gotten out of their control, but they were absolutely the ones that gave way to Trump's brand of conservatism.

Basically, they took the most economically right wing people they could, elevated them, and allowed them to bring the country further right on pretty much every issue economically. And in doing so they ignored the conspiratorial nonsense that was also popping up because their only concern was tax cuts and deregulation. The Tea Party brand of far right nationalism was the exact thing elevated when they elevated the right wing economic thought under Obama.

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Feb 7 2021 05:53pm
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This is patently false. Corporate interests loved this exact brand of rightism. The Kochs are single handedly responsible for the tea party having any power. They "absolutely hate it" now that it's gotten out of their control, but they were absolutely the ones that gave way to Trump's brand of conservatism.


The Kochs are two brothers. Let's take a big picture view of all of the other corporations in the US.

The Koch's tried to build a conservative movement that represented their interests. It was seized and redirected in a completely different direction. Americans trend conservative, and more-so culturally than economically.
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Feb 7 2021 06:01pm
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The Kochs are two brothers. Let's take a big picture view of all of the other corporations in the US.

The Koch's tried to build a conservative movement that represented their interests. It was seized and redirected in a completely different direction. Americans trend conservative, and more-so culturally than economically.


Not completely different. Trump is like 95% in line with normal republican policy. The fracture in the party is about aesthetics and loyalty to Trump more than anything. The establishment wants to keep using dog whistles and Trump wants to just say the xenophobic stuff out loud.

The brand of conservatism rising right now stands for the moneyed interests as much as the establishment does.

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now i remember? Q was some dude that would decode trumps tweets. if it wasnt legit it still would troll the lefties . look how much they are still freaking out about it :)

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Feb 7 2021 06:30pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 7 2021 07:01pm)
Not completely different. Trump is like 95% in line with normal republican policy. The fracture in the party is about aesthetics and loyalty to Trump more than anything. The establishment wants to keep using dog whistles and Trump wants to just say the xenophobic stuff out loud.

The brand of conservatism rising right now stands for the moneyed interests as much as the establishment does.


The Kochs want to talk about being strong on the border, they don't want to be strong the border. To be fair, that's more than most other corporations.

Trump did not have a clear plan and the Republican establishment shut him done.
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