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Jun 20 2020 11:07am
Quote (Fagzuu @ Jun 20 2020 06:54pm)
You really care about the added trap damage that much instead of all the functionality of 9x shadow?

Just from my head, my trap damagw would be 1-9450, with no trap GCs, which is a little over 800 more max damage than the common WW hybrid sins which get exactly 8610.

Regarding fhr, I would likely use 3x 5fhr SCs to hit the 28fhr BP instead of 2x 12fhr GCs, thus only be a 60 life lose.

But given the skill situation, I can see your point about doing a mix, depending on where all the skills fall such as weapon block, fade and MB.

Being from East, we typically don’t do cube buff, but on GA, seems people generally don’t care since there is a mix of rules from all realms.

But I’ll build it up when I get time and post the full stats in here and we can debate and tweak.

I’m always down to experiment with sins :)


oh, have not done the math on trap dmg, so if ur at 9,4k without trao sks i would go shadows or mix as well :)

i also did not put to much thought into what would result in most life between sks or scs ^^

as long as ur experiementing i would keep a 3/3/3 chaos wf and a 3/3/3/300/fool's/5ctc/BerBer/20min/eth self feral or runic(check ias) in stash. super to finnish off wsg'ers. mb+trap better vs low lifed palas, as without valk 08 u wirl slow and both hammer and smiter can take advantage of that.
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Jun 20 2020 11:11am
Quote (gel87 @ Jun 20 2020 01:07pm)
oh, have not done the math on trap dmg, so if ur at 9,4k without trao sks i would go shadows or mix as well :)

i also did not put to much thought into what would result in most life between sks or scs ^^

as long as ur experiementing i would keep a 3/3/3 chaos wf and a 3/3/3/300/fool's/5ctc/BerBer/20min/eth self feral or runic(check ias) in stash. super to finnish off wsg'ers. mb+trap better vs low lifed palas, as without valk 08 u wirl slow and both hammer and smiter can take advantage of that.



I have like 5 different WW sin varieties. I’m personally trying to stay away from WW on this build.

But I like the concept of tri-hybrid sin, but given how much easier it’s gonna be to hit with WW, if this character had WW, it would likely be better to just do WW.
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Jun 20 2020 07:52pm
sorb 95lr bye trap dmg.

95pr plr bye venom dmg.

75% block bye kicks.

1pt smite with a crappy grief solved :rofl:

This game is very crappytbhactually :huh:
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Jun 21 2020 02:56am
Quote (Wisteria @ Jun 21 2020 03:52am)
sorb 95lr bye trap dmg.

95pr plr bye venom dmg.

75% block bye kicks.

1pt smite with a crappy grief solved :rofl:

This game is very crappytbhactually :huh:


That kind of sorb means no dr. Sin can play around with mindblast. And the other smiter who dont care to sorb every element to the max just kills him... U think any1 would bother to 1v1 vs bm abs amount? xD In pubs that 95/95/95 pala wont stand a chance.
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Quote (gel87 @ Jun 21 2020 10:56am)
That kind of sorb means no dr. Sin can play around with mindblast. And the other smiter who dont care to sorb every element to the max just kills him... U think any1 would bother to 1v1 vs bm abs amount? xD In pubs that 95/95/95 pala wont stand a chance.


U cant mindblast a smiter to dead unless the player is afk, he willl just charge and smite u.

Anyway i was refering in general.
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Jun 21 2020 10:13am
Quote (Wisteria @ Jun 21 2020 08:00am)
U cant mindblast a smiter to dead unless the player is afk, he willl just charge and smite u.

Anyway i was refering in general.



Most of us don’t act 12 Year olds and prefer GM instead of just smite + hdin bm.
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Jun 21 2020 11:13am
Quote (Fagzuu @ Jun 21 2020 06:13pm)
Most of us don’t act 12 Year olds and prefer GM instead of just smite + hdin bm.


And where are u all hidding?
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Jun 21 2020 11:45am
Quote (Wisteria @ Jun 21 2020 02:00pm)
U cant mindblast a smiter to dead unless the player is afk, he willl just charge and smite u.

Anyway i was refering in general.


an assa can do that pretty well. just tele in circlets in a place with loads of rocks and mindblast.
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Jun 21 2020 06:20pm
Quote (gel87 @ Jun 21 2020 07:45pm)
an assa can do that pretty well. just tele in circlets in a place with loads of rocks and mindblast.


Any normal smiter will just kill this annoying sin very fast.
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Jun 22 2020 05:59pm
Never thought about this weapon choice, but its a great idea. You get arround ~ 250 AR more than from Angelic Combo (1 Ring + Amu) and still have a solid chance to get amplify dam on the kicks. Thats genius stuff man

I would love to do some tests with you at the weekend. Do you also have Fleshripper and Lacerator?

I want to see the dam output of these two combined with Angelic combo and your current gear choice with claw when you kick my BvA (~28 k def).
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