i think the idea that Chinese information isnt accurate is fairly widespread in the USA. i dont remember people at the start of the pandemic saying "well china and the WHO say its all fine". in fact i remember widespread panic, even as assurances came in. and i remember people dogging the WHO rightfully when they were against masks and then changed their tune a week or so later.

in short, china is a known scammer and the WHO isnt a real authority figure to almost anyone. they're an advisory board like the UN and taken not seriously at all.

remember last Jan/Feb all those images and videos being ‘leaked’ of people just dropping dead in the streets of Wuhan?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/a-man-lies-dead-in-the-street-the-image-that-captures-the-wuhan-coronavirus-crisis
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923981/amp/Coronavirus-Disturbing-videos-claim-people-collapsing-Wuhan.html

and of course the mysterious (hah) disappearing act of the initial people who were reporting in China on the virus

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/business/wuhan-coronavirus-journalists.amp.html

Then why are we in such a hurry to rejoin this widely discredited international body with well-known ties to our geopolitical enemy? I honestly don't understand it. The very best that can be said is that the Democratic party are unwitting dupes of the Chinese Communist Party. The alternative is obviously more sinister.

The WHO is literally the only game in town in terms of acquiring and disseminating information about emerging infectious diseases. If you think we need a better system them make one, but for now there's literally not an alternative, and all leaving the WHO does is further allow China to influence it. You used to actually understand international policy, but since you turned into a Trump cultist it seems you've actively unlearned everything.



Man I love how you take this stance with the WHO but literally nobody else in any Republican administration.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 18 2021 12:07pm

idk, i mean why are we involved in dozens or worldwide shame organizations that are just ceremonial? the UN. the WHO. Paris climate accords. etc.

we do it because we're supposed to, because when some organization which is a worldwide arbiter of behavior, even if it's only ceremonial, pops up we are a defacto addition to it.

in reality whether its the UN, climate accords, or WHO we tend to say we base decisions on that bodies recommendation. but this is just an appeal to authority to give policy makers leeway if things go sideways. UN said to give food here, no way we could have known it would be siezed by rebels is the same as WHO said to put in 14 day quarantines and suggest mask wearing.

The WHO has to play nice with EVERYBODY. It's the only way they keep access to the countries. So yeah, they played nice with China. That's how they have to operate. It's how they got into Pakistan to vaccinate for polio. It's how they get access to EVERYWHERE and is an integral part of their model.

However, you're also misunderstanding that "no evidence of h2h transmission" is categorically not the same as "we know it doesn't spread h2h".

No, I'm not misunderstanding anything here. I'm well aware of this distinction. Simply put, a quibble like that was unnecessary unless the WHO specifically wanted to suck up to China. The WHO could have prefaced the tweet with the simple words "So far, it remains unsettled whether human to human transmission is possible. Preliminary studies by the Chinese found no clear evidence." This formulation would have shifted the emphasis of the statement away from the "no... evidence of h2h"-part toward "no clear evidence [either way]" and indicated some degree of independence and scepticism by the WHO.

In the context of the situation at the time, with everyone wondering if h2h transmission was possible, retweeting a CCP propaganda statement without adding any context or warning effectively did amount to taking a position, the Chinese position. You can formulate results the way it was done here and expect them to be interpreted correctly in scientific discourse, when experts write for other experts - but this way of phrasing or presenting findings is completely unsuited when tweeting out to a global community of scientifically untrained laymen and politicians...

Yes, why indeed.

We belong to the United Nations because of the Security Council. That is it. There is really no benefit that we derive from the United Nations outside of the Security Council that we can't achieve more effectively via multi-lateral and bilateral negotiations with the countries involved. And to the extent that participation in the United Nations undermines those bilateral and multilateral relationships, we are actually doing ourselves a disservice. American foreign policy should be driven by a realistic understanding of world affairs, not idealistic dreams of global governance that the world is clearly not, and may never be, ready for.





The United States is not taking steps to mitigate China's influence. The individuals Biden is putting forth have a long history of doing the opposite. Biden himself has not, as far as I'm aware, even admitted that there is a problem.

By remaining in the WHO and taking zero concrete steps to mitigate China's involvement we legitimize China's influence. It will be said, after all, that the WHO is the international body on health and science. That's not an acceptable outcome.



The Democratic party is simply far more connected to China. Between Swalwell bedding a Chinese spy, Barbara Boxer working for Chinese surveillance firms, and top defense picks with long-standing ties to CCP controlled universities, the list is adding up.

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-ties-raise-questions-for-bidens-top-defense-post-pick/

Really just seems like you're reaching. H2H transmission was still up in the air, and everybody who was following the situation understood that as it was the primary issue to if this was going to be another SARS.

In Germany, quarantine violators will be sent to concentration refugee camps:

https://nypost.com/2021/01/18/german-quarantine-breakers-to-be-held-in-refugee-camps/

Cannot make this shit up.