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Mar 27 2020 09:43pm
Quote (KungPeriodFu @ Mar 27 2020 10:43pm)
say what you will about obama but there were at least two viral outbreaks during his presidency and hardly anyone remembers them. job well done?

sars during bush's presidency, too

trump is just a shitshow. shitshow administration. shitshow everything.


The virus is far worse than the ones that came out during the Obama or Bush administrations, however Trump's handling of the situation was far worse. So it was a double whammy, only one of which he is responsible for.
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Mar 27 2020 09:45pm
Quote (KungPeriodFu @ Mar 27 2020 09:43pm)
say what you will about obama but there were at least two viral outbreaks during his presidency and hardly anyone remembers them. job well done?

sars during bush's presidency, too

trump is just a shitshow. shitshow administration. shitshow everything.


i mean yeah trump really is. He's just not made for this. NO one in the USA is prepared. Unfortunately, Bill Gates and Specialists would do better but hey....why would we listen to people who knows what to do?
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Mar 27 2020 09:55pm
Quote (KungPeriodFu @ Mar 27 2020 09:43pm)
say what you will about obama but there were at least two viral outbreaks during his presidency and hardly anyone remembers them. job well done?

sars during bush's presidency, too

trump is just a shitshow. shitshow administration. shitshow everything.


tbh though man sars and mers aint shit. It's deadly but so is ebola. We can detect those and do something about it.

This coronavirus right here is one of those ones that humans have been afraid of for decades. One that can spread without symptoms. That shit is crazy.

Now, all you need is ebola type death rates with a virus like this covid-19 and we'll have a virus that wipes out dozens of millions in months.
Every president would fail this in the USA. With our freedom....i dont think any presidents will want to fuck with martial law. Not even trump. lol and that's what it takes.
Trump fucks us all though. We have shit ass countries who can't even feed their people deal with this virus better.

To be fair though...the USA is not a country that does well when it shuts down lol.
Trump is just dumb. He denied so many specialists and people who warned him. Fucking shit head lol. He took a chance and look at what happened guys lol

This post was edited by Crankyjimster on Mar 27 2020 09:56pm
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Mar 27 2020 09:59pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Mar 27 2020 10:23pm)
"I say Mike (Pence), don't call the governor of Washington; you're wasting your time with him. Don't call the woman in Michigan. It doesn't make any difference. You know what I say? If they don't treat you right, don't call."
-POTUS


https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1243728576509140993

We're suffering from a collective mental illness.
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Mar 27 2020 10:02pm
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 27 2020 09:59pm)
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1243728576509140993

We're suffering from a collective mental illness.


bro i still can't get toilet paper. Wtf bro.
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We have a plant with SUPER SUPER soft spongey leaves here. Sometimes it's as big as a size 10 shoe. Those leaves are soft like cats/puppies. I think i know where to get some tp.
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Mar 27 2020 10:31pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 28 Mar 2020 04:43)
The virus is far worse than the ones that came out during the Obama or Bush administrations, however Trump's handling of the situation was far worse. So it was a double whammy, only one of which he is responsible for.


I think the most relevant criterion is how well Trump is doing compared to other world leaders.

China initially fucked up their response, but then got its shit together in record time.
South Korea and Japan did very well, although Japan might not be off the hook yet.

The final verdict on Europe is still pending, but Italy and Spain failed badly in their response. But France and Switzerland are also hit very heavily by the coronavirus (Switzerland's absolute numbers are tiny because the country is tiny, but per capita, they're almost as badly affected as Italy!), and their governments are generally considered well-run. Austria initially fucked up royally when they kept their alpine skiing resorts open out of pure greed and carelessness, which has helped spread the virus from Northern Italy throughout Europe, but ever since, Chancellor Kurz' handling of the crisis has been exemplary. Poland seems to be dealing with it very well so far, although their government is usually held in low regard. Sweden, the UK and the NL were very lenient and careless, we will see if they'll have to pay the price. Germany's response was ok, but a lot of the little things were messed up, and we're benefitting from a larger cushion since we have a comparatively large number of ICU beds.

Russia and Turkey are not taking the virus very serious at all, and might be on the verge of being overrun by cases in the coming weeks. Brazil's and Mexico's leadership are also displaying a shocking degree of carelessness with the virus.



So if we rate on a scale from 1 to 10, I would say that Trump's handling of the crisis was a 2/10 on an objective scale, but a 4/10 relative to the rest of the world. The policy response in the U.S. imho is a 7/10, the messaging a 1 (or even a 0)/10.


tldr: Perspective is important. If we're being honest, most of the world hasnt exactly covered itself in glory when it comes to the coronavirus response.

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Mar 27 2020 10:36pm
Quote (Crankyjimster @ Mar 27 2020 11:45pm)
i mean yeah trump really is. He's just not made for this. NO one in the USA is prepared. Unfortunately, Bill Gates and Specialists would do better but hey....why would we listen to people who knows what to do?


Because our system is designed to prevent putting capable people in charge. Appealing to the masses by lying to them on camera is what gives political power under this system. That's what needs to change.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 28 2020 12:31am)
So if we rate on a scale from 1 to 10, I would say that Trump's handling of the crisis was a 2/10 on an objective scale, but a 4/10 relative to the rest of the world. The policy response in the U.S. imho is a 7/10, the messaging a 1 (or even a 0)/10.


How do those ratings compare to the expected level of response?

is a 5.5/10 an average response?
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Mar 27 2020 10:53pm
Quote (Kayeto @ 28 Mar 2020 05:47)
How do those ratings compare to the expected level of response?

is a 5.5/10 an average response?


The policy response is not exclusively on Trump, Congress and the states have also contributed to it. By contrast, the disastrous messaging was almost entirely Trump's fault.
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