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Aug 18 2019 10:11am
Quote (Xx Shin3d0wn xX @ Aug 18 2019 09:08am)
I THOUGHT Sean was nuts when he said his batshit stuff about Embiid and Shaq and took it personally as a lakers fan.

This though, AGREEING with Harden as better than the GOAT?

Someone see if this “man” is okay.

Edit: “man”


i fear he has eaten one too many cheesesteaks, lost all his marbles
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Aug 18 2019 06:37pm
Quote (DeMarcus @ Aug 16 2019 11:06pm)
harden's best season shooting from 3 was in 2011-2012 .390
jordan's best season shooting from 3 was 1995-1996 .427
(jordan shot .500 in 1994-1995 but only on 17 games so i didn't count it)

harden's fg % .443
jordan's fg % .497
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harden steals 1.6
jordan steals 2.3
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harden rebounds 5.2
jordan rebounds 6.2
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harden assists 6.2
jordan assist 5.3
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harden turnovers 3.6
jordan turnovers 2.7
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harden points 24.3
jordan points 30.1


MJ Career 3PT% at the non-closer length (i.e. excluding 94/95-96/97 when it was closer) - sub 30% (35% playoffs)
Harden - 36.5% (33% playoffs)

MJ Career 2PT% - 51% (50% playoffs)
Harden - 51% (49% playoffs)

So, MJ is obviously the better playoff scorer but Harden is far superior in the regular season, how you balance the two against each other, I'm not sure
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Aug 18 2019 06:54pm
Quote (LeDaddy @ Aug 18 2019 05:37pm)
MJ Career 3PT% at the non-closer length (i.e. excluding 94/95-96/97 when it was closer) - sub 30% (35% playoffs)
Harden - 36.5% (33% playoffs)

MJ Career 2PT% - 51% (50% playoffs)
Harden - 51% (49% playoffs)

So, MJ is obviously the better playoff scorer but Harden is far superior in the regular season, how you balance the two against each other, I'm not sure


lol you're reaching with that arm extending claw right there. no need to try and skew the stats they are what they are. jordan was better in every single one tbqh
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Aug 18 2019 08:11pm
Quote (Sixers @ Aug 17 2019 07:44am)
https://sports.yahoo.com/daryl-morey-rockets-james-harden-michael-jordan-233839811.html

Got into a little FB discussion with people about this. Had to educate them...

Morey is a numbers guy, and at the end of the day his statement is factual if you're going on numbers….

Harden averaged 36.1 PPG this season (on 24.5 FGA), while posting a 61.6% True Shooting percentage. He averaged 11 free throw attempts per game (keep this in mind for those of you that complain about him living at the free throw line).

Now, let’s look at Jordan. He had two seasons where he averaged 35+ per game, 35 and 37.1 PPG to be exact. Let’s look at the one season where he averaged more points per game than Harden, 37.1 PPG. In that season he attempted over 3 more shots per game (27.8 FGA), and he posted a much lower True Shooting percentage of 56.2%. In that same season Jordan averaged 11.9 free throw attempts per game, more than James Harden averaged this past season.

In reality, you can compare any 4 year span in the prime of Jordan’s career to the past 4 seasons for Harden (compare similar age/experience at the same points), and Harden scores just as much, taking fewer shots per game, shooting at a considerably higher eFG% and TS%. This is why Morey is saying what he's saying, for anyone that is confused.


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Aug 18 2019 08:23pm
Quote (UnEvilManiac @ Aug 18 2019 08:48am)
lol.
This is worse than Brent thinking Irving is the best PG in the league.


Yeah except DM is actually arguing this, where as the other is not true at all and just a figment of your imagination
But other than that, yeah much worse.
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Aug 19 2019 08:10am
Quote (Giannis @ Aug 17 2019 03:05pm)
Even Olajuwon has been to the Finals and won a chip but this dude who hasn’t even been to the Finals once is the best scorer of all time? He is just like Carmelo and Iverson, all offense and overrated


This is hands down the worst comparison I have ever seen, and that's saying something since we've seen some wild shit on here.

You're comparing Harden, who is statistically the most efficient NBA leading scorer of all time, to two inefficient volume scorers like Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson?

Bruh....
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Aug 19 2019 08:22am
Quote (DeMarcus @ Aug 19 2019 01:54am)
lol you're reaching with that arm extending claw right there. no need to try and skew the stats they are what they are. jordan was better in every single one tbqh

Exactly. We can all post random stats to make an argument work

All time career Playoff TS%



LeBron, Durant and Curry are better scorers than Harden in his own era.
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Aug 19 2019 08:23am
Quote (Sixers @ Aug 19 2019 10:10am)
This is hands down the worst comparison I have ever seen, and that's saying something since we've seen some wild shit on here.

You're comparing Harden, who is statistically the most efficient NBA leading scorer of all time, to two inefficient volume scorers like Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson?

Bruh....


You do realize who you’re talking to, right?

Anything he says should be taken w/ a grain of salt
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Aug 19 2019 08:28am
Quote (DeMarcus @ Aug 18 2019 12:00pm)
it did indeed!

where do you pull these facts from? i just showed you exactly why you're wrong. i know numbers and statistics aren't taught in philly curriculum but it gives you no reason to be ignat. jordan has a higher 2pt and 3pt % if you bothered to read the stats you absolute mong.
imagine thinking harden is better than jordan at all. even during an offensive minded league where shooters get benefit of the doubt and favorable calls 24/7 he STILL isn't ahead of jordan in any statline, while jordan played in a defensive centered league. back to the bodega and buy a clue.


You're messing with me, right? This is a troll attempt?

Jordan only had a higher raw FG% because he barely took any threes, meanwhile Harden takes 10+ threes per game. Hence why I used a far more accurate stat, which is True Shooting % and eFG% to account for all of this lol.

"In basketball, true shooting percentage is an APBRmetrics statistic that measures a player's efficiency at shooting the ball.[1] It is intended to more accurately calculate a player's shooting than field goal percentage, free throw percentage, and three-point field goal percentage taken individually. Two- and three-point field goals and free throws are all considered in its calculation."

"In basketball, effective field goal percentage (abbreviated eFG%) is a statistic that adjusts field goal percentage to account for the fact that three-point field goals count for three points while field goals only count for two points. [1] Its goal is to show what field goal percentage a two-point shooter would have to shoot at to match the output of a player who also shoots three-pointers."


Check the numbers like I said, Harden beats Jordan (by quite a bit) in both TS% and eFG%. Harden scores just as much, scoring more points per shot, at a higher efficiency, while also distributing the ball better. All facts.


Also, the whole "Jordan played in a defensive minded league" is a fucking joke. The hype about defense back in the day is total BS. Yes, there were some things done differently (some easier and some harder) but to act like Harden couldn't smoke guys back then just like he is now is comical. For one, slow footed big men had a place in the league then. Now, if you don't have incredible foot speed, reaction time and the ability to play above the rim you're probably not going to succeed much unless you're ultra-talented elsewhere as well (i.e. Jokic). Guys adapt, saying Harden wouldn't survive then is like saying Jordan wouldn't survive in todays league because he wasn't a very good outside shooter.

Watch this video (one of the best basketball videos on the internet), or countless other videos. Much like the Jordan brand itself now (which makes people think Jordan is untouchable) the NBA back then wasn't so difficult like people make you to believe...



This post was edited by Sixers on Aug 19 2019 08:38am
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Quote (GiantPhony @ Aug 18 2019 10:11pm)
Add me on facebook you big galute, I'll show you some pics I took


How am I supposed to find you on FB mang....
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