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Aug 21 2019 10:38am
Quote (UCF_MIKE @ Aug 21 2019 12:28pm)
Jordan balled in a mans league. Harden ballin in a league where nobody plays D and still cant win.


Stick to final fantasy, bro.
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Aug 21 2019 10:46am
Quote (UCF_MIKE @ Aug 21 2019 12:28pm)
Jordan balled in a mans league. Harden ballin in a league where nobody plays D and still cant win.


That's why teams averaged 108 PPG in Jordan's era, am i right? Because they played defense?
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Aug 21 2019 11:23am
Quote (Sixers @ Aug 21 2019 12:39am)
What cracks me up is how people day "dEfEnSe wAs pLAyeD bAcK iN tHe 80's" and suggest it's not played now.

NBA teams averaged 109 PPG in the 80's, 102 PPG in the 90's, and just 97 PPG in 2000's.

In just the last 1-2 years we have FINALLY seen the NBA average scoring numbers like they did in the 80's. You know, back when they supposedly played such great defense :rofl:


you mean pace of play has finally caught back up to the pace of play of the 80's.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html




This post was edited by Waifu on Aug 21 2019 11:26am
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you mean pace of play has finally caught back up to the pace of play of the 80's.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html


http://i.imgur.com/5KxNCau.jpg


Exactly, because defense was played so much back then but it's not played now am i right? :rofl:

But 108 PPG though
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Quote (Sixers @ Aug 22 2019 10:24am)
Exactly, because defense was played so much back then but it's not played now am i right? :rofl:

But 108 PPG though


Jabari Parker- “Well, I don’t know I just stick to my strengths,” Parker said. “Look at everybody in the league. They don’t pay players to play defense. There’s only two players, historically, who play defense. I’m not gonna say that I won’t, but to say that’s a weakness is like saying that’s everybody’s weakness. I’ve scored 30s and 20s off of guys who say they try to play defense.”


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Jabari Parker- “Well, I don’t know I just stick to my strengths,” Parker said. “Look at everybody in the league. They don’t pay players to play defense. There’s only two players, historically, who play defense. I’m not gonna say that I won’t, but to say that’s a weakness is like saying that’s everybody’s weakness. I’ve scored 30s and 20s off of guys who say they try to play defense.”


This is Jabari Parker we're talking about, a #2 pick who is a career 15 PPG scorer who is a disappointment.

Are we really using him as part of your argument? :rofl:

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Quote (Sixers @ Aug 22 2019 11:23am)
This is Jabari Parker we're talking about

Are we really using him as part of your argument? :rofl:


I am just here refuting your arguments, while you are throwing out ad hominems and ignoring data.

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Quote (Waifu @ Aug 22 2019 11:29am)
I am just here refuting your arguments, while you are throwing out ad hominems and ignoring data.


"ignoring data"

Uses the OPINION of one irrelevant player in the NBA who can't even average more than 15 PPG but says nobody plays defense.

Okay...
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Quote (Sixers @ Aug 22 2019 11:32am)
"ignoring data"

Uses the OPINION of one irrelevant player in the NBA who can't even average more than 15 PPG but says nobody plays defense.

Okay...


tbf, this whole topic is from an irrelevant gm that spends most of his time in the media crying about refs.

you looked at pace of play and went back to ppg...


half the teams in the nba dont play good defense, just like half the teams in the nba back then didnt play very good defense but we only get to see the good teams from back then so views are skewed. No one here has any idea what the NBA was really like back then.
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Quote (Waifu @ Aug 22 2019 11:39am)
tbf, this whole topic is from an irrelevant gm that spends most of his time in the media crying about refs.

you looked at pace of play and went back to ppg...


half the teams in the nba dont play good defense, just like half the teams in the nba back then didnt play very good defense but we only get to see the good teams from back then so views are skewed. No one here has any idea what the NBA was really like back then.


I mean Daryl Morey is one of the better GM's in the league, so idk how he's "irrelevant" I mean I don't know how any NBA GM is irrelevant (except maybe anyone who is GM for the Knicks rofl).

Also, read through the posts and all of the stats backing up the claim. Literally every advanced stat, raw stat, anything really favors his claim as Harden being a better scorer now than Jordan ever was. He scores just as much (actually MORE than Jordan did most of his career), at a much more efficient rate.


I agree there are plenty of teams that don't play defense, just like back in the 80's. That's part of the game, some teams SUCK. But to act like defense isn't played now, but it was then, is a myth...

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