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Being good at ubers, doesnt mean its a good pvm char
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Quote (Chainsaw47 @ Apr 19 2019 02:48am)
How fast can you clear P8 Chaos + Baal with you sin?


You mean from entrance to diablo with CS run? dunno, but maybe 3 or 4 min?. If it's p8 there are 7 more players and normally not all leechers. And normally i just do seals/diablo so 1.5 min? never calculated.

Baal Throne + Baal maybe 3-4 again, depending on the luck with hydras at wave 3 (cloack of shadows helps here) and if Lister is LI/PI or not. For that, azure or rift are nice options so never will have problems with the casual both elements inmune (in CS seals too)

Dunno if you understand that with cta/spirirt side i'm doing about same damage as a normal trapsin (1-12k) and that I can static with main side with kicks. With a fireblast based build it would even be faster and still can kick for statics main side.

Quote (draftw3dr @ Apr 19 2019 04:32am)
Why is it false? Explain.

Takes him 3 minutes to clear Ubers and about 30 minutes for Chaos + Baal.

Plus his character which can do both Ubers and regular content switches out 6/10 pieces of gear - so arguably - that's 2 separate builds anyway. With 6 item switches, a lightning sorc can do Ubers as well lol.


Explain? Mele nec in bear form:

1 does low damage, it's just average in p1 at bosses and for p8 it's not better than a jabber zon or something.

2 shape thing, cant tele unless you shape/tele (good luck), bad fcr frames to reach those bosses, etc. So no, it's not good (fast) with bosses

About my sin, lies again?

1. Takes 45-50 secs to clean ubers. Can split ubers if want to make it more safe, or can just wear the resis stack gear and tri-uber, irrelevant.

2. switches are ok.

Sorc with swaps:

1. Not really, a sorc is pretty bad to do ubers with efficience, even uber-based sorc builds are crap there compared to others, and a light sorc with swaps not gonna kill uber mephisto anyway, would need a respec.

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How long does it take him to clear icy cellar?


Who cleans that?

Quote (draftw3dr @ Apr 19 2019 07:36am)
Don’t know if that sin can handle the cellar. It’s pretty cold down there.


Don't worry, stormshield gg cold resis.

Quote (attila @ Apr 19 2019 08:25am)
full urdar summon nec is actual crazy fast for boss kill.

usually yes, by a lot. against boss you have no corpse so it's bad.

anyway imho, with proper gear, javazon shit on any sorc.

best single target killer in game
best crowd killer in game


Get the urdars first (losing 1389123189 mins), and ye, no CE vs bosses...

And yes, javazon > sorc for packs and bosses, problem is low fcr frames, but meh...
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Quote (FreeUsername @ Apr 19 2019 01:04pm)
Being good at ubers, doesnt mean its a good pvm char


Being good at both means it's a pvm char. Pvm chars that can't handle both are just not complete (in efficiency terms, for fun etc. any is ok)
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Quote (Wisteria @ Apr 17 2019 01:41pm)
Gl killing p8 bosses with wind druid with any speed.


Gl getting an amp wand from akara
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Quote (Pick @ Apr 19 2019 01:49pm)
Gl getting an amp wand from akara


:rofl:
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Quote (Pick @ 19 Apr 2019 13:49)
Gl getting an amp wand from akara


the only thing that "saves" physical damage in pvm is cb.
if you use in pvm phys damage that can't proc cb, for sure you will be able sooner or later to kill stuff, just you will be crazy slow compared to almost everything else.
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Quote (Wisteria @ Apr 19 2019 06:50am)
:rofl:


Decrepify from reaper's toll works nicely too

Quote (attila @ Apr 19 2019 06:53am)
the only thing that "saves" physical damage in pvm is cb.
if you use in pvm phys damage that can't proc cb, for sure you will be able sooner or later to kill stuff, just you will be crazy slow compared to almost everything else.


I agree with you

This post was edited by Pick on Apr 19 2019 05:55am
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Quote (Pick @ Apr 19 2019 01:54pm)
Decrepify from reaper's toll works nicely too


Yep... but still slow even decrepified, tbh.
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Apr 19 2019 06:59am
Ok so what is the normal ratio of doing Chaos + Baals vs. Ubers in regular PvM? I would estimate around 1000:1 perhaps for most players?

So we can run a test. How long does it take for a character to do 1000 Chaos + Baals and 1 Uber run. Your sin vs. a lite sorc and we will see whether doing Ubers slowly is worse than having an underpowered trapper with minor kick damage.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that a lite sorc is so much more efficient that I could literally use the time saved to fully level and gear a separate Uber Smiter and still kill the Ubers before your sin finishes the runs rofl.
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Quote (draftw3dr @ Apr 19 2019 02:59pm)
Ok so what is the normal ratio of doing Chaos + Baals vs. Ubers in regular PvM? I would estimate around 1000:1 perhaps for most players?

So we can run a test. How long does it take for a character to do 1000 Chaos + Baals and 1 Uber run. Your sin vs. a lite sorc and we will see whether doing Ubers slowly is worse than having an underpowered trapper with minor kick damage.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that a lite sorc is so much more efficient that I could literally use the time saved to fully level and gear a separate Uber Smiter and still kill the Ubers before your sin finishes the runs rofl.


Look at her, brown, just able to kill random mobs, unable to uber = she's crap.

Look at him, black, just able to kill 6 game mobs (ubers), unable to do rest of pvm = he's crap.

Look at her, white skin, black dress, she ubers and pvms with efficience: she's superior israeli jew.
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