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Quote (draftw3dr @ Apr 15 2019 05:35pm)
No offense but this build is very very far from the best lite sorc build. In terms of survivability, it's completely fine, but the damage with nova is super weak: For comparison:

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YOUR BUILD

(I'm increasing inventory to a maximum of 9 Lightning GC's for the purpose of a damage comparison and assuming all items with perfect stats)
Level 41 Nova / Lightning Mastery (+530%) / +5% Lightning Damage from Gear / -80 Enemy Lightning Resist from Gear / -85 Enemy Lightning Resist from Conviction / 8 Frame Nova

Vs Hell Baal (50 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (2085 + 2709) / 2 / 6.3 x 6.35 x 2 / 8 = 604 Damage per Frame with Nova
Vs. Breakable Immune (100 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (2085 + 2709) / 2 / 6.3 x 6.35 x 0.97 / 8 = 293 Damage per Frame with Nova

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HIGH END LIGHTNING SORC

Sample Build:
Helm: Griffon’s Eye + 5/5
Amulet: 2 Sorceress Skills / 20 FCR / 30 Strength / 60 Life / 20 Mana / Mana 10 Regen
Weapon: 3 Lightning Skills / 3 Lightning / 3 Lightning Mastery / 3 Chain Lightning / 20 FCR / 2os + 2x 5/5
Armor: Lightning Ormus + 5/5
Shield: Jeweler’s Monarch of the Colossus + 4x 5/5
Gloves: Magefist
Belt: Arachnid Mesh
Boots: Bitter Spur/Wraith Brands (45+ Tri Res)
Ring: Stone of Jordan
Ring: Stone of Jordan
Inventory: Anni, Torch, 9x 45 Life Lite SK, 10x 5/20

Level 49 Lightning / Level 46 Lightning Mastery (+590%) / +70% Lightning Damage from Gear / -60 Enemy Lightning Resist from Gear / -85 Enemy Lightning Resist from Conviction / 12 Frame Lightning

Vs Hell Baal (50 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (6 + 49464) / 2 / 6.9 x 7.6 x 1.95 / 12 = 4427 Damage per Frame with Lightning
Vs. Breakable Immune (100 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (6 + 49464) / 2 / 6.9 x 7.6 x 0.77 / 12 = 1748 Damage per Frame with Lightning

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You can see that the damage isn't remotely close. Depending on the map, nova may be able to hit slightly more targets than a lightning volley - but certainly not 6-7 times more. Your build gets a slightly more effective -20% ELR vs. broken immunes, but the base damage difference is insurmountable.

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Also, just for the sake of being thorough - consider Eth Sandstorm Treks vs. Waterwalks (For the record, I don't think waterwalks are necessarily best in slot but it will serve to make a good comparison).
Eth Treks will give us +15 Strength (converted into BO-able life) and +15 Vitality (30 non-BO-able life), +143 Armor (I'm going to disregard the Poison Res and FHR).
However, if we use Waterwalks, the build's highest strength requirement will be the Lidless Wall (58 Strength) on switch - so based on that fact alone, you will gain +23 Strength (converted into BO-able life) on top of the +65 Life (BO-able) and +5 Max Fire Resistance.

Conclusion: Eth Treks are unfortunately one of the worst boot choices for this build. Best in slot is almost certainly a pair of GG dual-res mana boots with a low strength requirement or tri-res rares.

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Apr 15 2019 11:59am
Quote (draftw3dr @ 15 Apr 2019 17:35)
No offense but this build is very very far from the best lite sorc build. In terms of survivability, it's completely fine, but the damage with nova is super weak: For comparison:

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

YOUR BUILD

(I'm increasing inventory to a maximum of 9 Lightning GC's for the purpose of a damage comparison and assuming all items with perfect stats)
Level 41 Nova / Lightning Mastery (+530%) / +5% Lightning Damage from Gear / -80 Enemy Lightning Resist from Gear / -85 Enemy Lightning Resist from Conviction / 8 Frame Nova

Vs Hell Baal (50 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (2085 + 2709) / 2 / 6.3 x 6.35 x 2 / 8 = 604 Damage per Frame with Nova
Vs. Breakable Immune (100 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (2085 + 2709) / 2 / 6.3 x 6.35 x 0.97 / 8 = 293 Damage per Frame with Nova

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

HIGH END LIGHTNING SORC

Sample Build:
Helm: Griffon’s Eye + 5/5
Amulet: 2 Sorceress Skills / 20 FCR / 30 Strength / 60 Life / 20 Mana / Mana 10 Regen
Weapon: 3 Lightning Skills / 3 Lightning / 3 Lightning Mastery / 3 Chain Lightning / 20 FCR / 2os + 2x 5/5
Armor: Lightning Ormus + 5/5
Shield: Jeweler’s Monarch of the Colossus + 4x 5/5
Gloves: Magefist
Belt: Arachnid Mesh
Boots: Bitter Spur/Wraith Brands (45+ Tri Res)
Ring: Stone of Jordan
Ring: Stone of Jordan
Inventory: Anni, Torch, 9x 45 Life Lite SK, 10x 5/20

Level 49 Lightning / Level 46 Lightning Mastery (+590%) / +70% Lightning Damage from Gear / -60 Enemy Lightning Resist from Gear / -85 Enemy Lightning Resist from Conviction / 12 Frame Lightning

Vs Hell Baal (50 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (6 + 49464) / 2 / 6.9 x 7.6 x 1.95 / 12 = 4427 Damage per Frame with Lightning
Vs. Breakable Immune (100 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (6 + 49464) / 2 / 6.9 x 7.6 x 0.77 / 12 = 1748 Damage per Frame with Lightning

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

You can see that the damage isn't remotely close. Depending on the map, nova may be able to hit slightly more targets than a lightning volley - but certainly not 6-7 times more. Your build gets a slightly more effective -20% ELR vs. broken immunes, but the base damage difference is insurmountable.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Also, just for the sake of being thorough - consider Eth Sandstorm Treks vs. Waterwalks (For the record, I don't think waterwalks are necessarily best in slot but it will serve to make a good comparison).
Eth Treks will give us +15 Strength (converted into BO-able life) and +15 Vitality (30 non-BO-able life), +143 Armor (I'm going to disregard the Poison Res and FHR).
However, if we use Waterwalks, the build's highest strength requirement will be the Lidless Wall (58 Strength) on switch - so based on that fact alone, you will gain +23 Strength (converted into BO-able life) on top of the +65 Life (BO-able) and +5 Max Fire Resistance.

Conclusion: Eth Treks are unfortunately one of the worst boot choices for this build. Best in slot is almost certainly a pair of GG dual-res mana boots with a low strength requirement or tri-res rares.


Such an answer ! :hail: , couldn't read everything cuz I'm working, I'll o it later. To be honest, never tried this build, it's definitely the one the maxes more the damage. But seems to me very unbalanced, and using lighting there's no room to max tk and warmth (and you don't have insight neither), So wether you use a Shitty ES that puts more trouble than solves, or you go FULL vita and that's such a weak build. I am not searching for the most powerful build, but the most versatile and fast. With you build you can't stand in the middle of 3-5 souls, or dolls, or tomb vipers.

On the other hand, ligthing it's not very practical vs pvm, Nova it's just perfect (if you can tank). Lighting hits way harder but it's way slower and less practical, so you will end up killing slowly.

BUT, as I said in the guid, max lighting builds are definitely better for killing baal.

EDIT: And you put the damage per frame, but per second?? i strike 3,1 novas per second.

And without sands i still need 84 str for upped viper, and i like to upp viper cuz gives me a lot of def, and i need def to avoid some more hits when in the middle of crowds

This post was edited by tarazona on Apr 15 2019 12:05pm
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Apr 15 2019 12:03pm
Quote (tarazona @ Apr 15 2019 11:59am)
Such an answer ! :hail: , couldn't read everything cuz I'm working, I'll o it later. To be honest, never tried this build, it's definitely the one the maxes more the damage. But seems to me very unbalanced, and using lighting there's no room to max tk and warmth (and you don't have insight neither), So wether you use a Shitty ES that puts more trouble than solves, or you go FULL vita and that's such a weak build. I am not searching for the most powerful build, but the most versatile and fast. With you build you can't stand in the middle of 3-5 souls, or dolls, or tomb vipers.

On the other hand, ligthing it's not very practical vs pvm, Nova it's just perfect (if you can tank). Lighting hits way harder but it's way slower and less practical, so you will end up killing slowly.

BUT, as I said in the guid, max lighting builds are definitely better for killing baal.


this is a bit nonsensical.

Nova fills a screen with dmg. Lightning can be shot a screen away, chain can bounce around, etc.

with Chain/light you dont need to stand in the middle of mobs, with Nova you do.

also, what do you mean by "lightning is slower", like the cast delay? or? it does more dmg/sec, and imo clears hell mobs much faster.
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Quote (tarazona @ Apr 15 2019 02:52pm)
And yes i do need manually points in strength to reach 81, how to reach it otherwise? Well in case the craft amy had 20-30sk and torhc + anni where perfect, I'd need very few points. Then you'd be right, but still would need 3 more points for the upped viper. So unless godly equipment your are gonna use these 15str from the sands (so you can manually spend more on vita/energy)

you have 50 str with base+torch anni
if you insist on using upped viper, then you need to invest 31 str in order to use trecks, and out of the 15 str of trecks you're only using 3 (84rstr for upped viper). Trecks are giving you 15*2+3*2*1.7=40life with bo
if you don't use upped viper, then you need to invest 31 str in order to use trecks, and none of the str of trecks has any use. So trecks are not giving you 15str, but costing you 21str (frosts require 60str). Trecks are giving you 15*2-21*2*1.7= -41life





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But not sure if the vitality points on items are boable

i just told you
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Apr 15 2019 12:07pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 15 Apr 2019 19:03)
this is a bit nonsensical.

Nova fills a screen with dmg. Lightning can be shot a screen away, chain can bounce around, etc.

with Chain/light you dont need to stand in the middle of mobs, with Nova you do.

also, what do you mean by "lightning is slower", like the cast delay? or? it does more dmg/sec, and imo clears hell mobs much faster.


Well, after using nova with this build, lighting feels slow to me, casting it, and killing mobs. Depending what kind of mosters u may be more destructive, but not in the overall game. And then, again, u will always be way weaker than a nova infy sorc with max tk,warmth+meditation
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Quote (lilith0 @ 15 Apr 2019 19:05)
you have 50 str with base+torch anni
if you insist on using upped viper, then you need to invest 31 str in order to use trecks, and out of the 15 str of trecks you're only using 3 (84rstr for upped viper). Trecks are giving you 15*2+3*2*1.7=40life with bo
if you don't use upped viper, then you need to invest 31 str in order to use trecks, and none of the str of trecks has any use. So trecks are not giving you 15str, but costing you 21str (frosts require 60str). Trecks are giving you 15*2-21*2*1.7= -41life






i just told you


good point, you're right. Nice maths. better mana boots then, although you would loose (with mana boolts) 10fhr, which are equivalent (more or less) to 40 boable life

This post was edited by tarazona on Apr 15 2019 12:11pm
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nova range is way too small
if u want to cover screen, try chain lightning

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Quote (Larry777 @ 15 Apr 2019 19:10)
nova range is way too small
if u want to cover screen, try chain lightning


it's not that small, it's bigger than semms. And my idea is not to use skills with sinergies, i wanna be able to tanke and get myself, with 5/6/7/8 players, wherever and kill everything fast, soulds, vipers, dolls, destruction minions, travi, whatever. THAT'S THE POINT.
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