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Apr 15 2019 10:35am
No offense but this build is very very far from the best lite sorc build. In terms of survivability, it's completely fine, but the damage with nova is super weak: For comparison:

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YOUR BUILD

(I'm increasing inventory to a maximum of 9 Lightning GC's for the purpose of a damage comparison and assuming all items with perfect stats)
Level 41 Nova / Lightning Mastery (+530%) / +5% Lightning Damage from Gear / -80 Enemy Lightning Resist from Gear / -85 Enemy Lightning Resist from Conviction / 8 Frame Nova

Vs Hell Baal (50 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (2085 + 2709) / 2 / 6.3 x 6.35 x 2 / 8 = 604 Damage per Frame with Nova
Vs. Breakable Immune (100 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (2085 + 2709) / 2 / 6.3 x 6.35 x 0.97 / 8 = 293 Damage per Frame with Nova

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HIGH END LIGHTNING SORC

Sample Build:
Helm: Griffon’s Eye + 5/5
Amulet: 2 Sorceress Skills / 20 FCR / 30 Strength / 60 Life / 20 Mana / Mana 10 Regen
Weapon: 3 Lightning Skills / 3 Lightning / 3 Lightning Mastery / 3 Chain Lightning / 20 FCR / 2os + 2x 5/5
Armor: Lightning Ormus + 5/5
Shield: Jeweler’s Monarch of the Colossus + 4x 5/5
Gloves: Magefist
Belt: Arachnid Mesh
Boots: Bitter Spur/Wraith Brands (45+ Tri Res)
Ring: Stone of Jordan
Ring: Stone of Jordan
Inventory: Anni, Torch, 9x 45 Life Lite SK, 10x 5/20

Level 49 Lightning / Level 46 Lightning Mastery (+590%) / +70% Lightning Damage from Gear / -60 Enemy Lightning Resist from Gear / -85 Enemy Lightning Resist from Conviction / 12 Frame Lightning

Vs Hell Baal (50 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (6 + 49464) / 2 / 6.9 x 7.6 x 1.95 / 12 = 4427 Damage per Frame with Lightning
Vs. Breakable Immune (100 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (6 + 49464) / 2 / 6.9 x 7.6 x 0.77 / 12 = 1748 Damage per Frame with Lightning

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You can see that the damage isn't remotely close. Depending on the map, nova may be able to hit slightly more targets than a lightning volley - but certainly not 6-7 times more. Your build gets a slightly more effective -20% ELR vs. broken immunes, but the base damage difference is insurmountable.

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Also, just for the sake of being thorough - consider Eth Sandstorm Treks vs. Waterwalks (For the record, I don't think waterwalks are necessarily best in slot but it will serve to make a good comparison).
Eth Treks will give us +15 Strength (converted into BO-able life) and +15 Vitality (30 non-BO-able life), +143 Armor (I'm going to disregard the Poison Res and FHR).
However, if we use Waterwalks, the build's highest strength requirement will be the Lidless Wall (58 Strength) on switch - so based on that fact alone, you will gain +23 Strength (converted into BO-able life) on top of the +65 Life (BO-able) and +5 Max Fire Resistance.

Conclusion: Eth Treks are unfortunately one of the worst boot choices for this build. Best in slot is almost certainly a pair of GG dual-res mana boots with a low strength requirement or tri-res rares.

This post was edited by draftw3dr on Apr 15 2019 10:53am
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Apr 15 2019 10:48am
nova + ES + no shield = best against mana burn on hell for pvm !
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Apr 15 2019 10:50am
If PvM means Ubers (cos rest pvm is taken for granted) then no, nova sorcs are not the best chars for Pvm.
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Apr 15 2019 10:52am
Quote (Wisteria @ Apr 15 2019 10:50am)
If PvM means Ubers (cos rest pvm is taken for granted) then no, nova sorcs are not the best chars for Pvm.


Get some new material, this pvm = ubers act is getting less play than the one tinder profile that actually has your picture without a glam filter.
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Get some new material, this pvm = ubers act is getting less play than the one tinder profile that actually has your picture without a glam filter.


=?

Ubers are pvm.
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Quote (Wisteria @ Apr 15 2019 10:53am)
=?

Ubers are pvm.


and squares are rectangles.
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Apr 15 2019 10:55am
How about this - to make it easier to understand, PvM does not include Ubers. If we're talking about Ubers, we'll call it PvU instead. Nobody is talking about Ubers when they're discussing PvM builds and they are not frequently farmed game content.
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Apr 15 2019 10:56am
Any pvm char that can't uber is crap unless it's just for fun, untwinked sp walktru, etc.
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Apr 15 2019 10:56am
Quote (draftw3dr @ Apr 15 2019 08:35pm)
No offense but this build is very very far from the best lite sorc build. In terms of survivability, it's completely fine, but the damage with nova is super weak: For comparison:

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

YOUR BUILD

(I'm increasing inventory to a maximum of 9 Lightning GC's for the purpose of a damage comparison and assuming all items with perfect stats)
Level 41 Nova / Lightning Mastery (+530%) / +5% Lightning Damage from Gear / -80 Enemy Lightning Resist from Gear / -85 Enemy Lightning Resist from Conviction / 8 Frame Nova

Vs Hell Baal (50 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (2085 + 2709) / 2 / 6.3 x 6.35 x 2 / 8 = 604 Damage per Frame with Nova
Vs. Breakable Immune (100 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (2085 + 2709) / 2 / 6.3 x 6.35 x 0.97 / 8 = 293 Damage per Frame with Nova

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

HIGH END LIGHTNING SORC

Sample Build:
Helm: Griffon’s Eye + 5/5
Amulet: 2 Sorceress Skills / 20 FCR / 30 Strength / 60 Life / 20 Mana / Mana 10 Regen
Weapon: 3 Lightning Skills / 3 Lightning / 3 Lightning Mastery / 3 Chain Lightning / 20 FCR / 2os + 2x 5/5
Armor: Lightning Ormus + 5/5
Shield: Jeweler’s Monarch of the Colossus + 4x 5/5
Gloves: Magefist
Belt: Arachnid Mesh
Boots: Bitter Spur/Wraith Brands (45+ Tri Res)
Ring: Stone of Jordan
Ring: Stone of Jordan
Inventory: Anni, Torch, 9x 45 Life Lite SK, 10x 5/20

Level 49 Lightning / Level 46 Lightning Mastery (+590%) / +70% Lightning Damage from Gear / -60 Enemy Lightning Resist from Gear / -85 Enemy Lightning Resist from Conviction / 12 Frame Lightning

Vs Hell Baal (50 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (6 + 49464) / 2 / 6.9 x 7.6 x 1.95 / 12 = 4427 Damage per Frame with Lightning
Vs. Breakable Immune (100 Lightning Resistance) Damage = (6 + 49464) / 2 / 6.9 x 7.6 x 0.77 / 12 = 1748 Damage per Frame with Lightning

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You can see that the damage isn't remotely close. Depending on the map, nova may be able to hit slightly more targets than a lightning volley - but certainly not 6-7 times more. Your build gets a slightly more effective -20% ELR vs. broken immunes, but the base damage difference is insurmountable.


how many hours did you spend on this post? :bonk:
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Apr 15 2019 11:03am
Quote (kronosHardcore @ Apr 16 2019 03:56am)
how many hours did you spend on this post? :bonk:


Doesn't matter how long it takes. If it helps people improve their game then I'm happy to spend the time.
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