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Feb 1 2020 06:32pm
Quote (thundercock @ 1 Feb 2020 17:19)
Can you please explain what specifically was "rigged" and what your definition of "rigged" is? Most of the things I've seen are talking points that originated in Russia so I'd like to know what you're talking about specifically.

As for your second statement, you can understand why that would piss off a lot of Democrats, especially institutionalists, right? You understand how it's incredibly selfish to put YOUR ideas ahead of the PARTY's right?


The DNC was indebted to Clinton and had a signed agreement with the Clinton campaign to allow Clinton to influence the party's finances, strategy, and money raised. This was signed in 2015, before votes were cast. The Clinton campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all staff. Wasserman Schultz even accepted a 2 million dollar loan from Clinton for the DNC without the consent of party officers like herself, which also violated party rules. In short, the Clinton campaign took advantage of the DNC's debts and bought off the DNC.

The DNC email leak before the DNC convention also revealed DNC staffers exchanging emails about how to beat Sanders in primary states, including bringing Sanders's Jewish religion into the campaign. The Clinton campaign was also leaked debate questions and topics from the DNC before a town hall.

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Feb 1 2020 06:38pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 1 2020 05:12pm)
Hard to believe, but I'm 100% with fender on this one. Bernie is caucusing with Democrats, he's taking part in the process of developing the party platform, he's galvanizing tons of young and/or disillusioned folks to start voting again, which greatly benefits Democratic down-ballot candidates even in case the top of the ballot has an (I) next to his name, he has endorsed Hillary and campaigned for her like a good soldier, and he uses his prominence and media outreach to constantly and consistently attack the Democrats' main enemy Trump.

The main reason why the DNC doesnt want Sanders to be president is that the DNC represents corporate Democrats/the donor class. The missing (D) next to his name on the ballot is an absolutely minor factor compared to that.


Of course you agree with any narrative that disparages the DNC. You always throw in that they're big dumb meanies when you talk about them, we get it.
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Feb 1 2020 08:09pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Feb 1 2020 06:32pm)
The DNC was indebted to Clinton and had a signed agreement with the Clinton campaign to allow Clinton to influence the party's finances, strategy, and money raised. This was signed in 2015, before votes were cast. The Clinton campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all staff. Wasserman Schultz even accepted a 2 million dollar loan from Clinton for the DNC without the consent of party officers like herself, which also violated party rules. In short, the Clinton campaign took advantage of the DNC's debts and bought off the DNC.

The DNC email leak before the DNC convention also revealed DNC staffers exchanging emails about how to beat Sanders in primary states, including bringing Sanders's Jewish religion into the campaign. The Clinton campaign was also leaked debate questions and topics from the DNC before a town hall.


And a nuance of this story worth mentioning: Russian agents hacked the DNC emails and leaked them in revenge for Hillary's meddling in the 2011 Russian elections- running propaganda ops and showing her rigging her election, as retaliation for her running propaganda ops and accusing Putin of rigging his election. But the fact Russians were trying to expose Hillary rigging the election was ironic when they didn't even have a clue she really was rigging the primaries so directly with the JFA. The Russians never got close to revealing the depth of how compromised the DNC was. We had Muellers investigation and years of xenophobia, hostile relations and democrats screaming their heads off because the Russians only found mundane emails scheming to say mean things about Bernie when the entire primary was micromanaged by the Clinton campaign since day 1.
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Feb 1 2020 08:16pm
The Des Moines Register was scheduled to release the Iowa Poll 15 minutes ago, regarded as the most important poll prior to the democratic caucuses each presidential year.
Its the biggest deal in the polling biz in Iowa.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/02/01/des-moines-register-cnn-cancels-release-iowa-poll-over-respondent-concerns/4637168002/

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Des Moines Register, partners cancel release of Iowa Poll over respondent concerns


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Today, a respondent raised an issue with the way the survey was administered, which could have compromised the results of the poll. It appears a candidate’s name was omitted in at least one interview in which the respondent was asked to name their preferred candidate.


https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1223785773692006400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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Jennifer Jacobs @JenniferJJacobs

The voter was an Iowa City area man who says the Iowa Poll polltaker didn’t name Buttigieg when asked which candidate he preferred.

Voter said when she read a new list, she mispronounced Buttigieg’s name.
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Feb 2 2020 03:25am
Quote (Skinned @ 2 Feb 2020 01:38)
Of course you agree with any narrative that disparages the DNC. You always throw in that they're big dumb meanies when you talk about them.


... and for good reason, lol! Both major parties are rotten to the core.


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The Des Moines Register was scheduled to release the Iowa Poll 15 minutes ago, regarded as the most important poll prior to the democratic caucuses each presidential year.
Its the biggest deal in the polling biz in Iowa.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/02/01/des-moines-register-cnn-cancels-release-iowa-poll-over-respondent-concerns/4637168002/

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1223785773692006400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


Lol, are we seriously supposed to believe that their staff, who have conducted similar interviews multiple times this cycle, NOW have trouble pronouncing Buttigieg's name all of a sudden?

Seltzer & Co are fantastic pollsters, and I have a hard time to believe that their employees produce such a fuck up at such a crucial time. In general, while I'm no expert on polling, it seems kinda excessive to cancel an entire poll in such a situation instead of just excluding the interviews conducted by the specific interviewer where issues were reported. But ok, depending on the sample size and the stratification, this might be impossible.

Even at the risk of coming across like a conspiracy theorist, I have to say: what an eerie timing that the crucial and final Iowa poll, 2 days from the caucus, commissioned by CNN (nicknamed "Clinton News Network" since the 90s!) , had to be cancelled over such a hiccup at a moment when Sanders is surging. How convenient...

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Feb 2 2020 08:55am
Quote (Goomshill @ 1 Feb 2020 21:16)
The Des Moines Register was scheduled to release the Iowa Poll 15 minutes ago, regarded as the most important poll prior to the democratic caucuses each presidential year.
Its the biggest deal in the polling biz in Iowa.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/02/01/des-moines-register-cnn-cancels-release-iowa-poll-over-respondent-concerns/4637168002/





https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1223785773692006400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw



lmfao a polling company in cahoots with the DNC shocker there
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DOJ reveals 24 redacted emails related to Trump's involvement in Ukraine aid freeze

"The Department of Justice reportedly said in a court filing just hours after the Senate voted against subpoenaing additional witnesses and documents in President Trump's impeachment trial that it has two dozen emails related to his involvement in the halt of U.S. military aid to Ukraine.

An Office of Management and Budget (OMB) lawyer said in the filing that the emails are protected by “presidential privilege,” The Washington Post reported. "


Gotta love this timing by the DOJ.

Edit: Oops, wrong thread.

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here comes Barnie!
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/mike-bloomberg-democratic-contested-convention/605956/

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Frustration with Bloomberg, whose entire campaign is predicated on Biden’s supposed weakness, is intensifying in the former vice president’s campaign. "The answer to one Republican New York billionaire is surely not going to be a slightly richer Republican New York billionaire,” one Biden ally told me over the weekend. “It's laughable we even have to say that out loud.”


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Warren called Bloomberg’s self-funding, skipping-early-states approach “dangerous for our democracy.”


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A second ballot would be a “disaster,” [Sanders ally] Cohen told me. He led the Sanders-backed efforts after the last election to get rid of superdelegates entirely. Leaving them with any kind of role was a compromise, at best a technicality—the idea was that they’d give a numerical boost to whoever already led in pledged delegates. The thought that superdelegates could cost Sanders the nomination is upsetting enough for his supporters. The thought that he could lose to the man who shut down Occupy Wall Street with a dead-of-night police raid and has been nonchalantly spending his way into the Democratic process … it’s just too much.

“The notion that the 750 people who were not elected as delegates are going to come in after the country votes, and 18 months of campaigning and gigantic amounts of volunteer time—it’s really critical for our credibility that we have this first ballot,” Cohen told me, arguing that a contested convention would weaken the party’s ability to beat Trump.


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“There are going to be a lot of people who are going to be very upset if they feel like the election was stolen from them by a cabal of corporate types,” Jeff Weaver, Sanders’s top strategist and generally the most reliable reflection of the senator’s thinking, told me a few weeks ago.


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Even some of Clinton’s most devoted supporters have admitted privately that they’d be uncomfortable with Bloomberg grabbing the nomination from Sanders. The risk of fracture within the party seems enormous.





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Feb 3 2020 03:44pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Feb 1 2020 04:32pm)
The DNC was indebted to Clinton and had a signed agreement with the Clinton campaign to allow Clinton to influence the party's finances, strategy, and money raised. This was signed in 2015, before votes were cast. The Clinton campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all staff. Wasserman Schultz even accepted a 2 million dollar loan from Clinton for the DNC without the consent of party officers like herself, which also violated party rules. In short, the Clinton campaign took advantage of the DNC's debts and bought off the DNC.

The DNC email leak before the DNC convention also revealed DNC staffers exchanging emails about how to beat Sanders in primary states, including bringing Sanders's Jewish religion into the campaign. The Clinton campaign was also leaked debate questions and topics from the DNC before a town hall.


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/14/16640082/donna-brazile-warren-bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-rigged

The first paragraph doesn't seem to have much to do with "rigging the primary against Bernie." There's no doubt that the DNC FAVORED Clinton but how could they not? Clinton has done an incredible amount for the Democrats whereas Bernie hasn't done much at all. Maybe Bernie could have done more for POC, voter registration efforts, etc. Alas, he isn't a team player so you reap what you sow. Anyway, if Clinton didn't have massive institutional support, Bernie would have to fight other mainstream candidates and would have struggled to gain traction and support. We've had plenty of Bernie-esque candidates before (Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, etc.) and they all went nowhere. Bernie isn't special; he got lucky that he was able to spread his message in the 2016 primary and he's lucky that Hillary cleared the field before then.

The emails were inconsequential because Bernie should have dropped out by then. At the time, he probably needed to win 80% of the vote in the remaining states or something ridiculous like that. Bernie was being a complete asshole but I suppose he needed to do that to keep his message strong. He sacrificed party unity for selfish reasons but that shouldn't surprise anyone because he's an incredibly self-serving politician.

None of the things you mentioned means that the primary was rigged. Instead of being a gullible fan boy, you should learn why forming coalitions is important.
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