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Aug 14 2018 07:06am
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 14 2018 02:01pm)
If the London mayor said "radical Islamic terrorism" more, this never would've happened.


Let's not get ahead of ourselves. He has yet to say it a single time.

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If the London mayor said "radical Islamic terrorism" more, this never would've happened.


nope. but conversely, if he never acknowledges the problem, he wont be able to solve it. calling it what it is, namely radical islamic terrorism, is the necessary and inevitable first step at solving the problem. as long as Khan and the multiculturalists keep on denying that this issue exists, nothing will change.

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Taking in mass unskilled migrants is really paying off for the EU.

What can we expect next time
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Taking in mass unskilled migrants is really paying off for the EU.

What can we expect next time


taking in unskilled immigrants is a bad idea, yeah, but even among them there are huge differences. unskilled eastern or southern europeans, as well as unskilled people from south east asia, are causing far less trouble than muslim immigrants. in fact, the vast majority of the recent problems surrounding immigrants in europe are caused by muslims. where are the terrorist attacks carried out by Poles or Russians? where are the hate preachers from india? the honor killings by vietnamese? the complaints about discrimination by latin americans? all around the globe, muslims are by far the most troublesome group of immigrants.
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nope. but conversely, if he never acknowledges the problem, he wont be able to solve it. calling it what it is, namely radical islamic terrorism, is the necessary and inevitable first step at solving the problem. as long as Khan and the multiculturalists keep on denying that this issue exists, nothing will change.




Obama argues better than I ever could.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtDE5z-fnew

Obama argues better than I ever could.


Brown man was all image and no substance. I barely even remember his name
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtDE5z-fnew

Obama argues better than I ever could.


BBC News

Obama speech

You can't honestly expect me to watch that can you?
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Quote (IceMage @ 14 Aug 2018 15:16)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtDE5z-fnew

Obama argues better than I ever could.


again, its not about the phrase itself, its about acknowledging the problem. and the problem does not just exist with some tiiiny 0.000...1% of muslims, it exists with a significant share of muslims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2013/12/13/how-widespread-is-islamic-fundamentalism-in-western-europe/?utm_term=.8ae4014c3789

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One narrative about Muslim immigrants in Europe is that only a relatively small proportion holds views that are sometimes labeled as “fundamentalist.” Ruud Koopmans [...] argues that this perspective is incorrect. He conducted a telephone survey of 9,000 respondents in the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, France, Austria, and Sweden and interviewed both Turkish and Moroccan immigrants as well as a comparison group of Christians.

His first finding is that majorities of Muslim immigrants believe that there is only one interpretation of the Koran possible to which every Muslim should stick (75 percent), and that religious rules are more important than the laws of the country in which they live (65 percent).

He then looks at hostility toward out-groups.Fifty-eight percent do not want homosexual friends, 45 percent think that Jews cannot be trusted, and 54 percent believe that the West is out to destroy Muslim culture. Among Christians, 23 percent believe that Muslims are out to destroy Western culture.


65% consider the laws of Islam, i.e. the Sharia, to be standing above our laws. a majority is homophobic, almost half of them are having antisemitic attitudes, and over half of them thinks we want to destroy their culture.

Obama is right in that changing the label wont solve the problems. But he is awfully wrong when he treats islamic extremism and unwillingness to integrate into our culture and to conform our values as some minor nuisance. He is awfully wrong when he a priori assumes that the vast majority of muslims living in our western countries are sharing our values and that only a handful of nutjobs sympathizes with extremist strains of islam.

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Brown man was all image and no substance. I barely even remember his name


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again, its not about the phrase itself, its about acknowledging the problem. and the problem does not just exist with some tiiiny 0.000...1% of muslims, it exists with a significant share of muslims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2013/12/13/how-widespread-is-islamic-fundamentalism-in-western-europe/?utm_term=.8ae4014c3789



65% consider the laws of Islam, i.e. the Sharia, to be standing above our laws. a majority is homophobic, almost half of them are having antisemitic attitudes, and over half of them thinks we want to destroy their culture.

Obama is right in that changing the label wont solve the problems. But he is awfully wrong when he treats islamic extremism and unwillingness to integrate into our culture and to conform our values as some minor nuisance. He is awfully wrong when he a priori assumes that the vast majority of muslims living in our western countries are sharing our values and that only a handful of nutjobs sympathizes with extremist strains of islam.


"These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it. "

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
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