https://www.reddit.com/r/KassadinMains/comments/8qfuvs/youre_a_troll_if_you_pick_kassadin_apdo/

thoughts on this?
"youre a troll if you pick kass" - dopa/apdo
he doesnt even play non-meta champs anymore, or even kass.

also, isnt the meta always "do whats easiest to win" ???

wouldnt any meta be even more drastic in scope for low elo players?
the harder champs like kass for silver noobs becomes even more harder when going against silver talon right?

how can you say meta applies to only the top20 people, when the basis of the meaning meta is purely generalized from the start

Don't try to explain it to him. He is beyond help.

In terms of champs
People play meta champs for a reason.
Might be easier to snowball, easier or more damaging combos, more tools to work with, etc.

However the line between meta champs and viable champs isnt that wide.
Thats why "get good" rather than blame champ picks usually is the response.
Cause rarely is it really the champion pick that is holding a person back from climbing
But rather general stuff like (shitty wave management, playing too risky, not warding correctly, etc)

Playing meta champs is a good start, but dont pigeonhole yourself.
Play smart accordingly to vision/enemy jungler pathing, put yourself into situations where you can carry..

In terms of general meta. Pro meta and solo queue are 2 entirely different things lol.
Alot more room for error(less punishment), non-ideal execution, etc.



Idk about the use of kass in that example.
Kass hasnt been meta for awhile, still hasnt stopped people from climbing pretty well on him,

He has still been very viable in the correct context.
E.G counterpicks into champs like fizz/lb or other control mages; not to mention another side lane split threat.

This post was edited by potentate on Jun 23 2018 06:16pm

Idk if you are smart or dumb. The same factors affect different people differently. It is that simple.

What exactly are you trying to convey here, that is pretty self evident.
That phrase can be taken so many different ways in this context lol.

This post was edited by potentate on Jun 23 2018 09:57pm

Well put. I feel people are confusing "meta doesn't matter to most" to mean "you can play the most trolly stuff and climb," when in reality it just means that until you get to the very top you can play "nonmeta" picks and climb just fine if you're playing the game correctly. Idk how anyone can argue that when good players play shit like Soraka mid and climb. Not to say if you can master meta champs quickly you shouldn't, but if you don't understand what makes the champ meta suddenly then chances are you won't capatalize on what makes them string anyway lol.

Dopa is wrong, you're wrong. The meta effect you regardless of rank. The meta is simple what other people are playing in a game which is largely about MU this is gonna effect you.

Also, Dopa doesn't understand gold funneling and why people are picking non ADCs bot. So Dopa really just doesn't understand the meta.

Supports being support is not meta, it's just being sensible (unlike sending Soraka mid)

Apdo is talking about his level of play. I can beat a Kassadin in silver with AP Riven. Meta becomes more important as you climb as people understand the game more. In terms of NA solo queue it probably never becomes more important than just playing what you're good at though. Also, read below.



Empty statements are pointless. Why even bother?



You can't say he doesn't understand and then not elaborate. I would love to hear your explanation of why he's wrong and you're not.

When I say (and maybe him too) meta doesn't matter it doesn't mean it has 0 effect on everything. It means that you can play non-meta and still hit challenger, therefore you can't blame meta for your problems. If you can't climb it's because you lack skill.

That's why Dopa is saying "you can win regardless of meta if you play well"

This post was edited by FroggyG on Jun 24 2018 12:54am

I'd take that bet