Californian is the biggest money maker for the United States.

California carries it weight in the union. Can't say the same for most other states.

one thing i've never been able to wrap my head around is how people can accuse scientists of lies for their own personal gain when they argue for one side of climate change based on government funded research while supporting the few scientists who receive money from big oil to to pedal junk science that goes against mainstream scientific research

Cali is sliding into the ocean lookat highway 2 or w.e, south cali, its visible from space. Thats a ton of land just aliding into the ocean.

Pretty soon cali wont even be above water. At least the bottom half.

This post was edited by Ep0ch on Jun 21 2017 09:15am

No. This thread is dumb and you should feel dumb.

I suppose it should stay. I'm a socialist at heart, so even if I think right wingers in red states are morons, I wouldn't want to take away all the money they need for their welfare states. California is the largest stream of federal revenue and takes less back than it gives, so it would really hurt our red brothers and sisters a lot if we pulled out.

they wouldnt be allowed to leave lol

I mean when we boil entire state populations to being either republican or democrat it's easy to come up with idiotic conclusions such as "us democrats are subsidizing the republican dumb dumbs".

In reality its the suburban populations of all states that subsidize the inner cities as well as rural america. Now i can't say it's the same in other parts of the country but here in western NY the rich suburbs tend to elect conservative governance. Between getting raped in property taxes, income taxes and a shit ton of other taxes they tend to lean conservative, at least from my experience.

While I do agree places in Cali, like LA, live in a bubble. I don't believe they should succeed from the U.S & from their own country simply because they have differential opinions

Well, if Cali is gonna become their own country, we'd best make allowances for growing all the food they produce....elsewhere...first.

When government spending is a factor in GDP, it is disingenuous to us GDP-driven notions like "California is carrying the country.