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Jun 26 2017 10:21am
Quote (AspenSniper @ Jun 26 2017 11:17am)
Right, his girlfriend and daughter are going to say he deserved it.


And of course, the cops are going to say he really feared for his life.

He said, she said.
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Jun 26 2017 10:34am
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I heard him say don't reach for it. Then it sounds like he reached for something. I get that he reached for his license, but he reached right after he said he had a firearm. I kinda get why he got shot.


Uh huh. Right after informing the officer calmly he had a gun.

The officer jumped the gun and murdered somebody he had no reason to fear. You know what you do at a traffic stop? You reach for your wallet. He wasn't acting suspicious in any way.
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Jun 26 2017 11:02am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/06/26/philando-castiles-family-reaches-nearly-3-million-settlement-in-his-death/?utm_term=.97d8e75c4305

The family of Philando Castile, the Minnesota man fatally shot by a police officer during a July 2016 traffic stop, reached a settlement of nearly $3 million with the city that employed the officer at the time

nice.. some justice

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Jun 26 2017 11:03am
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Its something, unfortunately he's going to kill again unless he greatly changes his methods and thought process
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Jun 26 2017 11:08am
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Its something, unfortunately he's going to kill again unless he greatly changes his methods and thought process


"the city that employed the officer at the time".. I'm expecting they fired him.. but can't find anything specific on it.. hmm anyone knows ?
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And of course, the cops are going to say he really feared for his life.

He said, she said.


The fact that it's a he said she said is why he was found not guilty. I think I would've had a tough time convicting him, but would've found him guilty of involuntary manslaughter. It wasn't murder because you clearly have no mens rea. His intent was not to kill an innocent, so you have no mens rea to convict. Voluntary manslaughter is like the Shawshenk Redemption murder, something in the heat of passion you freak out and kill someone in a form of diminished intent. Voluntary manslaughter would be a little bit of a reach, but yeah that might've been semi-fair. In involuntary manslaughter, you don't need the intent, just the action lacking malice, but knowing the potential consequence. His negligent action resulted in the death, so I think you have to convict him of involuntary manslaughter.

Probably worthy of a few years in jail. If he had gone up and given better instruction and said step by step what to do, this wouldn't have happened. Granted, the driver shouldn't have reached for his pocket within seconds of mentioning he had a gun, that was probably a mistake, but he shouldn't have been killed for it because the officer should've acted more appropriately and he failed to do that.

That's my take.
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Jun 26 2017 12:14pm
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The fact that it's a he said she said is why he was found not guilty. I think I would've had a tough time convicting him, but would've found him guilty of involuntary manslaughter. It wasn't murder because you clearly have no mens rea. His intent was not to kill an innocent, so you have no mens rea to convict. Voluntary manslaughter is like the Shawshenk Redemption murder, something in the heat of passion you freak out and kill someone in a form of diminished intent. Voluntary manslaughter would be a little bit of a reach, but yeah that might've been semi-fair. In involuntary manslaughter, you don't need the intent, just the action lacking malice, but knowing the potential consequence. His negligent action resulted in the death, so I think you have to convict him of involuntary manslaughter.

Probably worthy of a few years in jail. If he had gone up and given better instruction and said step by step what to do, this wouldn't have happened. Granted, the driver shouldn't have reached for his pocket within seconds of mentioning he had a gun, that was probably a mistake, but he shouldn't have been killed for it because the officer should've acted more appropriately and he failed to do that.

That's my take.


@Bold: That's the "warrior cop" training mentality for you. That shit needs to go away, like yesterday.
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Jun 26 2017 12:31pm
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"the city that employed the officer at the time".. I'm expecting they fired him.. but can't find anything specific on it.. hmm anyone knows ?


The killer was fired about an hour after the verdict was read. Knowing common union tactics (they'll claim he was wrongfully terminated cuz not guilty), I expect he will be back on the job, with back pay, in about 18 months.
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@Bold: That's the "warrior cop" training mentality for you. That shit needs to go away, like yesterday.


I don't buy that. I don't think the way a cop is trained really impacts them as much as their own personality. A lot of cop training is bs and they just go through the motions just as many of us do at work. There are all sorts of "re-training" cop programs to get them to not shoot a dude in the face without assessing other factors. Doesn't matter, doesn't work imo.
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Jun 26 2017 01:23pm
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The killer was fired about an hour after the verdict was read. Knowing common union tactics (they'll claim he was wrongfully terminated cuz not guilty), I expect he will be back on the job, with back pay, in about 18 months.


Hoping for a good The Wire story that he'll become a great teacher in a black school somewhere.
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