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Aug 14 2018 06:24pm
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Do you think Manafort was in debt to Russia in some way so that's why he worked on the trump campaign for free? To help elect a russian sympathizer that is Trump?


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dear god please



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Aug 14 2018 06:29pm
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Thirstier than a single thot during the holidays


Are you gonna cry when #45 gets impeached/resigns?
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Aug 14 2018 06:50pm
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Are you gonna cry when #45 gets impeached/resigns?


Someday, Trump will no longer be President. And his supporters will have to live with the fact that they defended and enabled one of the worst presidents in US history.

But who cares? As George W. Bush once said, "History, we don't know. We'll all be dead." James Buchanan's supporters are all long gone. Most of their shame left this world when they did.
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Aug 14 2018 06:51pm
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Someday, Trump will no longer be President. And his supporters will have to live with the fact that they defended and enabled one of the worst presidents in US history.

But who cares? As George W. Bush once said, "History, we don't know. We'll all be dead." James Buchanan's supporters are all long gone. Most of their shame left this world when they did.


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Aug 14 2018 07:57pm



Or Mueller will get done with his investigation and will come to the conclusion that....


Hillary lost, deal with it.
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Could the defense think that the prosecution's evidence does not meet the burden of proof?


I just heard the Defense said the prosecution hasn't shown any credible evidence of bank or tax fraud? Lmao?
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Aug 14 2018 09:22pm
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I just heard the Defense said the prosecution hasn't shown any credible evidence of bank or tax fraud? Lmao?


The burden of proof lies with the prosecution to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that Manafort committed wrongdoing.

I don't think this decision has anything to do with a potential pardon. Perhaps Manafort's lawyers think there the prosecution hasn't shown anything that bears the burden of the proof and/or the cost of a cross-examination outweighs the benefits.

Maybe they think there is a chance at a mistrial. I don't know, the fact the defense is resting their case leads me to believe that Manafort won't be convicted. Just a hunch based on the defense acting as rational actors. He's got good lawyers.
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The burden of proof lies with the prosecution to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that Manafort committed wrongdoing.

I don't think this decision has anything to do with a potential pardon. Perhaps Manafort's lawyers think there the prosecution hasn't shown anything that bears the burden of the proof and/or the cost of a cross-examination outweighs the benefits.

Maybe they think there is a chance at a mistrial. I don't know, the fact the defense is resting their case leads me to believe that Manafort won't be convicted. Just a hunch based on the defense acting as rational actors. He's got good lawyers.




The way I understood it, was that the defense rested, just to get on to the jury trial.
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Aug 14 2018 09:46pm
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The burden of proof lies with the prosecution to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that Manafort committed wrongdoing.

I don't think this decision has anything to do with a potential pardon. Perhaps Manafort's lawyers think there the prosecution hasn't shown anything that bears the burden of the proof and/or the cost of a cross-examination outweighs the benefits.

Maybe they think there is a chance at a mistrial. I don't know, the fact the defense is resting their case leads me to believe that Manafort won't be convicted. Just a hunch based on the defense acting as rational actors. He's got good lawyers.


I meant proof when i said evidence* (can't edit posts). I just find the defense's statement (that the prosecution doesn't have any proof of said crimes) very hard to believe. I mean there's been evidence that manafort had tax forms falsified and all those alligator/python suits and what not lol.
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Aug 15 2018 07:30am
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The burden of proof lies with the prosecution to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that Manafort committed wrongdoing.

I don't think this decision has anything to do with a potential pardon. Perhaps Manafort's lawyers think there the prosecution hasn't shown anything that bears the burden of the proof and/or the cost of a cross-examination outweighs the benefits.

Maybe they think there is a chance at a mistrial. I don't know, the fact the defense is resting their case leads me to believe that Manafort won't be convicted. Just a hunch based on the defense acting as rational actors. He's got good lawyers.


The government has a strong case according to every legal analyst I've read or listened to... and it's mostly a documents case, not just testimony from Rick Gates. The defense not bringing forth witnesses or exhibits is relatively common in white collar cases like this... read the twitter threads I've been posting from a former federal prosecutor.
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