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Jun 7 2013 07:20pm
Quote (easty20 @ Jun 6 2013 09:59pm)
What is more accurate in terms of macros for me..

At 5'10
76-77 kgs
18 years old
Male, bulking
Workout 3 times a week doing ICF routine. Nothing else other than that.

What dietary info seems more accurate for my situation? Or is none of it accurate and I need another one?


Calories: 2880
Protein: 180 g
Fat: 96 g
Carbs: 324 g

Or

Calories: 3125
250g protein
340g carbs
85 g fat

Or should cals be 3420, and macros undefined ATM.


Help me plox  x


According to the katch mcardle method (BB.com nutritional sticky said it was the most accurate) - my maintenance Is about 3.2k and so workout days would be 3.7k ?
And so I need at least 170 G protein on non workout days (according to the .8-1 g per lb of bodyweight rule), what am I looking at for carbs and fat?

And how should I have my macros for those extra 500 cals ?
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Quote (ThomasPaine @ Jun 2 2013 06:37pm)
Thanks for the insight John. Feels great to have somebody who's not preaching bullshit here.


Thanks for your kind words.


Quote (masterbagdragger @ Jun 5 2013 01:57pm)
I have another question for you

My barbell bench is fairly weak compared to my other compound lifts - i can almost incline more than i can flat

at the end of my bulk i had got my bench up to 200 for 2 reps max.

and that was nearly a years worth of work, whereas my dl/squat went up exponentially.

I also find that bbell bench is just an uncomfortable exercise for me to do - moved to doing dumbbells mainly and while i struggle to hit 160 on bbell flat now - i can manage to rep out 80 dbells for reps

what is your advice?


If you want to be good at BB bench, then BB bench more, if you want to be good at DBs, do that more. Find a balance between them both.

The exercises you hate doing are the ones you need to do the most, because you suck at them.
Work on your form on bench and see if it becomes more comfortable.

Quote (easty20 @ Jun 6 2013 06:59am)
What is more accurate in terms of macros for me..

At 5'10
76-77 kgs
18 years old
Male, bulking
Workout 3 times a week doing ICF routine. Nothing else other than that.

What dietary info seems more accurate for my situation? Or is none of it accurate and I need another one?


Calories: 2880
Protein: 180 g
Fat: 96 g
Carbs: 324 g

Or

Calories: 3125
250g protein
340g carbs
85 g fat

Or should cals be 3420, and macros undefined ATM.


Help me plox  x


What is ICF?

I'll be honest with you, it wont make that big of a deal in the long run.

Try option 2, as I'd rather have to much protein than not enough. You dont absorb a full 250 grams of protein, it depends on many factors so you need to over do it a little.
I'd suggest you monitor yourself in the mirror and if you find yourself getting to fat, cut back on calories.
Excellent job!

Quote (carteblanche @ Jun 7 2013 12:48am)
on the health/fitness topic, what are the most significant things you and raynor disagree on? be it macros, workout routines, meds, organic foods, or whatever.


Not sure. Raynor is a great guy and knows his shit, I have a lot of respect for him and glad to think of him as a buddy.
Truth be told I dont even know his methods and I doubt he knows mine as I dont post them much except now.


Quote (easty20 @ Jun 7 2013 09:20pm)
According to the katch mcardle method (BB.com nutritional sticky said it was the most accurate) - my maintenance Is about 3.2k and so workout days would be 3.7k ?
And so I need at least 170 G protein on non workout days (according to the .8-1 g per lb of bodyweight rule), what am I looking at for carbs and fat?

And how should I have my macros for those extra 500 cals ?


Carbs and fat. When you are taking that many calories in, protein will get converted to glucose anyway, so enjoy your food and carbs/fats are cheaper anyway.

what you are looking at for carbs and fat is up to you, I normally do around 2 grabs of carbs per pound of BW and .4-.6ish for fat, but that's me and my goals are different.

the above macos you outlined look fine, just add in some extra ones on a training day, if you train heavy and hard you wont get fat
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Jun 11 2013 07:30am
its not just bb benching more, when i bbench the lift just doesnt feel right and i dont feel like im actually pumping my chest

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Quote (masterbagdragger @ Jun 11 2013 09:30am)
its not just bb benching more, when i bbench the lift just doesnt feel right and i dont feel like im actually pumping my chest


I've never known anyone big or strong to care about a pump on BB bench press or really anything for that matter.
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Jun 13 2013 08:03pm
Quote (masterbagdragger @ Jun 11 2013 01:30pm)
its not just bb benching more, when i bbench the lift just doesnt feel right and i dont feel like im actually pumping my chest


@7ds, not trying to hijack your thread at all, just thought i may be able to help this fellow.


Do you put some kind of sweet arch in your bench mang?


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Quote (Afficionado @ Jun 13 2013 10:03pm)
@7ds, not trying to hijack your thread at all, just thought i may be able to help this fellow.


Do you put some kind of sweet arch in your bench mang?


Yes, I'll try to get a vid next time and post see if there is anything wrong with my form
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Jun 14 2013 05:25am
Should you bulk or cut first
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Jun 14 2013 07:52am
Let me be a bit more specific. Im 6'0, 190-195 lbs (sometimes as low as 186), 21% bf

I just started a job for the next weeks that is very physical and requires lots of lifting heavy stuff 60 hours a week.

My goals are to lose a lot of my extra fat and gain some muscle. I guess you cant do this at the same time so I wasnt sure which I should do first
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Jun 14 2013 11:28am
What hypertrophy routines do u recommend?
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Quote (masterbagdragger @ Jun 13 2013 11:07pm)
Yes, I'll try to get a vid next time and post see if there is anything wrong with my form


Videos will help a ton.


Quote (Slanman @ Jun 14 2013 07:25am)
Should you bulk or cut first


Do you care if you are 21% BF? If the answer is no, get strong and do some cardio to slowly lose the fat. You'll likely lose weight even if you dont want to because of your job.

Quote (Deathslaya16 @ Jun 14 2013 01:28pm)
What hypertrophy routines do u recommend?


A strength based routine with with high volume accessories. Best of both worlds.
I train my main lifts like a powerlifter, and my accessories like a body builder. Most high reps, some low like 5x5 for tris.
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