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May 13 2021 05:42am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ May 13 2021 09:38pm)
obviously the starting point of it all is the invasion of iraq, but the united states backing radical islamists for a regime change in syria was crucial for the rise of ISIS

assad and russia would been done with them before their rise to power without it

western media wrote for years about "rebels" to support the stupidity until the "oh shit, we supported jihadists" moment

so yes, obama is to blame for this and the massive consequences for europe


Isil originated in 1999, before obama did a damn thing.
Syria was going to happen no matter who was in charge because it was always about oil profits.
Assad is no better than isis btw.

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May 13 2021 06:57am
Speaking about the US arming ""moderate"" """rebels""" in Syria:

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May 13 2021 07:15am
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If more children were killed by covid than people by BLM, and if the number of children killed by covid is insignificant, then the people killed by BLM are insignificant.

Syllogism for dat ass.


They weren't even all "killed by BLM", either. There's the guy in Denver who assaulted a security guard and got shot, the guy shot by a guy driving through protestors in Austin TX, the kid in Kenosha with two kills, and several people killed when fuckholes drove their vehicles into crowds of protestors. So it's just another case of endless being endless.
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May 13 2021 07:16am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 13 2021 07:57am)
Speaking about the US arming ""moderate"" """rebels""" in Syria:

https://i.imgur.com/jwk0hDd.jpg


>unintended

So American manufacturers made both sides weapons. Hmmmm.
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May 13 2021 07:20am
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 13 2021 08:16am)
>unintended

So American manufacturers made both sides weapons. Hmmmm.


"Unintended" = "Working as designed"
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>unintended

So American manufacturers made both sides weapons. Hmmmm.


I find it funny how pretty much all lefties agree that the military-industrial complex exists and is deeply influential in Washington politics through an army of lobbyists, politicians they got in the bag and lots of fellow travelers among the career officials in the federal bureaucracy... yet when right-wingers claim that there is a "deep state" which is similarly entrenched and pursuing similar causes beyond the narrow scope of military interventions, then the lefties reject it and accuse them of being nutty conspiracy theorists.
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May 13 2021 07:29am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 13 2021 08:24am)
I find it funny how pretty much all lefties agree that the military-industrial complex exists and is deeply influential in Washington politics through an army of lobbyists, politicians they got in the bag and lots of fellow travelers among the career officials in the federal bureaucracy... yet when right-wingers claim that there is a "deep state" which is similarly entrenched and pursuing similar causes beyond the narrow scope of military interventions, then the lefties reject it and accuse them of being nutty conspiracy theorists.


Because when they say "deep state" they are almost never talking about the military industrial complex, and are instead referring to conspiratorial garbage like "stealing the election". You're doing that thing most right wingers did for most of Trump's administration, where something stupid is said and then it's back-filled with reasonable sounding things that were very clearly not meant by the statement.
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May 13 2021 07:49am
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 13 2021 09:29am)
Because when they say "deep state" they are almost never talking about the military industrial complex, and are instead referring to conspiratorial garbage like "stealing the election". You're doing that thing most right wingers did for most of Trump's administration, where something stupid is said and then it's back-filled with reasonable sounding things that were very clearly not meant by the statement.


No, it refers to the accusation that bureaucrats, often within the intelligence services, are leveraging the apparatus of the state for partisan ends.

It does not reference "stealing the election", obviously, because it predates Trump's 2016 election win.
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May 13 2021 07:52am
Quote (bogie160 @ May 13 2021 08:49am)
No, it refers to the accusation that bureaucrats, often within the intelligence services, are leveraging the apparatus of the state for partisan ends.

It does not reference "stealing the election", obviously, because it predates Trump's 2016 election win.


Trump was accusing the deep state of rigging the election in 2016 dumbass.

I'd say continuing wars is pretty bipartisan.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ May 13 2021 09:52am)
Trump was accusing the deep state of rigging the election in 2016 dumbass.

I'd say continuing wars is pretty bipartisan.


Source required. We are specifically talking about reference to a "deep state", not vague accusations that Hillary or her campaign are "cheating".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_the_United_States#2017

The first reference I can find is from 2017.

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In May 2017, former Democratic U.S. Representative Dennis Kucinich stated in an interview on Fox News that a deep state within the bureaucracy was trying to destroy Trump's presidency.
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