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Oct 12 2012 04:08am
Quote (Ylem122 @ 12 Oct 2012 03:04)
nah, i just use one line, in graph one theres really only progressive and conservative, in graph 2 theres only authoritian, and libreatarian.

so all you need is one line with progressive or liberal at one end sitting with socialists and the like and at the other end you have authoritirain or conservative at the other with the likes a dictators.

then everything else just falls some where between.


Again, whichever graph or naming scheme you would like to use, the simple fact is Democrats and Republicans don't represent anywhere close to the amount of different political ideologies there are, which explains the number of third parties there are in America, and elsewhere in the world.

If you're so intent on using your line graph, then "both sides" still wouldn't make sense if you were talking to a Centrist, since you know, a centrist isn't on either "side".
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Oct 12 2012 04:10am
Quote (Juanderful @ Oct 12 2012 05:59am)
Tears? The only tears I have are the ones I shed for the future of this country under the oppressive and bass ackwards policies of either Romney or Obama.

Ron Paul is only a figurehead for the movement that he started decades ago. He lost a small battle, but his ideologies still lives on, and is growing stronger day by day via candidates like Gary Johnson. You can bet that in 2016 there will be even a stronger showing of Libertarian support in the political playing field.


...what will actually happen is the current Paul supporters will be 4 years older and move on to the mainstream and the next generation of angst ridden teenybopppers will fill the void left behind from that political maturation process and throw their impotent support to the new current fringe candidate who has no chance of winning...and Romney will win his second term in a landslide over Hillary Clinton .
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Oct 12 2012 04:16am
Quote (Juanderful @ Oct 12 2012 06:08am)
Again, whichever graph or naming scheme you would like to use, the simple fact is Democrats and Republicans don't represent anywhere close to the amount of different political ideologies there are, which explains the number of third parties there are in America, and elsewhere in the world.

If you're so intent on using your line graph, then "both sides" still wouldn't make sense if you were talking to a Centrist, since you know, a centrist isn't on either "side".


first off, neither the quote or myself inferes that there are only 2 parites or political ideologies, but instead that there are 2 sides to the entire political spectrum, the left and the right and you will find stupid people on both the left and right side.

i dont think any one here in this discussion would be so narrominded to think that obama and romney or democrat/repub are the only possible political views you can have.

secondly, center is not a side, its the center. in a war does a nutral person take sides? no they remain nutral.

as they are not on either side, given the quote "people are stupid on both sides" it dosnt deal with centrists.

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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 12 Oct 2012 03:10)
...what will actually happen is the current Paul supporters will be 4 years older and move on to the mainstream and the next generation of angst ridden teenybopppers will fill the void left behind from that political maturation process and throw their impotent support to the new current fringe candidate who has no chance of winning...and Romney will win his second term in a landslide over Hillary Clinton .


Oh, how you wish you were correct in your brash assumption. You're acting like the Libertarian Party was founded in the last 10 years. If you are truly in your 50-60's. then you should know that many of your peers are also Libertarians:



The Libertarian idea is simply a more appealing message to the younger generation these days, and maybe because the people you see working the campaigns are all young people, you might get the impression that it is a "young people" fad, but rest assured there are many older-generation voters who are Libertarians also.
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Oct 12 2012 04:27am
Quote (Ylem122 @ Oct 12 2012 03:16am)
first off, neither the quote or myself inferes that there are only 2 parites or political ideologies, but instead that there are 2 sides to the entire political spectrum, ....


Yes, but appealing to a uni-linear distribution of political ideologies, means there is only one degree of freedom (1 variable) that distinguishes all political ideologies. While I can't say for sure, this does not seem adequate. I really don't know how many axes would be required to do a good job, but one seems laughable.
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Oct 12 2012 04:28am
Quote (Juanderful @ Oct 12 2012 06:20am)
Oh, how you wish you were correct in your brash assumption. You're acting like the Libertarian Party was founded in the last 10 years. If you are truly in your 50-60's. then you should know that many of your peers are also Libertarians:

http://www.people-press.org/files/2011/05/2011-typology-s3-09.png

The Libertarian idea is simply a more appealing message to the younger generation these days, and maybe because the people you see working the campaigns are all young people, you might get the impression that it is a "young people" fad, but rest assured there are many older-generation voters who are Libertarians also.


...I know exactly one real life Libertarian and he's a borderline conspiracy nutter so I never bother discussing politics with him . The Tea Party will ascend long before the Libertarian movement .
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Oct 12 2012 04:31am
Quote (Azrad @ Oct 12 2012 06:27am)
Yes, but appealing to a uni-linear distribution of political ideologies, means there is only one degree of freedom (1 variable) that distinguishes all political ideologies. While I can't say for sure, this does not seem adequate. I really don't know how many axes would be required to do a good job, but one seems laughable.


after the argument on religious topics, impretty sure your off topic atleast 20% of the time and atleast 30% of the time you dont fully understand what your quoting but your still willing to argue against it.

so like half the time, your a waste of my time.

given this experience, ive decided to ingnore you rather then waste time futily trying to understand where your coming from, what kind of point your trying to make, and how it relates to the topic at hand.

Thanks, have a nice day.



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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Oct 12 2012 03:28am)
...I know exactly one real life Libertarian and he's a borderline conspiracy nutter so I never bother discussing politics with him . The Tea Party will ascend long before the Libertarian movement .


Hey Widow, long time no see. Yeah, that's exactly why I left the Libertarian party; too many conspiracy theories.
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 12 Oct 2012 03:28)
...I know exactly one real life Libertarian and he's a borderline conspiracy nutter so I never bother discussing politics with him . The Tea Party will ascend long before the Libertarian movement .


C'mon Widow. Seriously? You've been on these boards longer than I have and you still resort to using anecdotal evidence to back up your obviously ludicrous claims? Because look, I can do the same too:

"I know exactly one real life Republican and he's a borderline conspiracy nutter."

See what I did there? I think I'll trust the Pew Research Center's statistical study to outline the correct age demographics over the biased personal account of what you think Libertarians are like.
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Oct 12 2012 04:37am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Oct 12 2012 03:10am)
...what will actually happen is the current Paul supporters will be 4 years older and move on to the mainstream and the next generation of angst ridden teenybopppers will fill the void left behind from that political maturation process and throw their impotent support to the new current fringe candidate who has no chance of winning...and Romney will win his second term in a landslide over Hillary Clinton .

Nope.
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