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WidowMaKer_MK
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Oct 12 2012 04:39am
Quote (Azrad @ Oct 12 2012 06:32am)
Hey Widow, long time no see. Yeah, that's exactly why I left the Libertarian party; too many conspiracy theories.


...over my lifetime the Libertarians have always attracted the fringe element , the worst being when the scoundrel Lyndon LaRouche declared himself one even though he formed a different fringe party .
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Oct 12 2012 04:41am
Quote (Ylem122 @ 12 Oct 2012 03:31)
after the argument on religious topics, impretty sure your off topic atleast 20% of the time and atleast 30% of the time you dont fully understand what your quoting but your still willing to argue against it.

so like half the time, your a waste of my time.

given this experience, ive decided to ingnore you rather then waste time futily trying to understand where your coming from, what kind of point your trying to make, and how it relates to the topic at hand.

Thanks, have a nice day.

http://americainchains2009.files.***/2010/03/left_right_political_spectrum_011.jpg


Azrad has a point.

There are a bunch of "centrist" parties in America that lie directly in the middle of your Left-Right line graph. Libertarians and Authoritarians are both center, but they obviously aren't the same, because they differ greatly on a number of issues that wouldn't swing either party to the left or right.

This concludes that there must be secondary/tertiary/etc factors that define political parties other than being just "left or right", and that not everything falls neatly on your linear portrayal of the political landscape. I mean, if you have any doubts, you can read through the wikipedia of that page and see why the graphs I posted make more sense than your line graph.
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...over my lifetime the Libertarians have always attracted the fringe element , the worst being when the scoundrel Lyndon LaRouche declared himself one even though he formed a different fringe party .


Anecdotal evidence is always the best evidence eh?

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Quote (Juanderful @ 12 Oct 2012 03:35)
C'mon Widow. Seriously? You've been on these boards longer than I have and you still resort to using anecdotal evidence to back up your obviously ludicrous claims? Because look, I can do the same too:

"I know exactly one real life Republican and he's a borderline conspiracy nutter."

See what I did there? I think I'll trust the Pew Research Center's statistical study to outline the correct age demographics over the biased personal account of what you think Libertarians are like.


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Oct 12 2012 04:47am
Quote (Juanderful @ Oct 12 2012 06:41am)
Anecdotal evidence is always the best evidence eh?

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...when you're discussing the Libertarian Party the only evidence is anecdotal because they have never been politically relevant or organized enough to study and present formal evidence . It's on about the same level of scholarship as Bigfoot sightings and alien abductions . In fact I'll bet that greater than half of all lifelong Libertarians believe in both !
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Oct 12 2012 04:48am
Libertarians are the same now as they have always been, widow is right.

You can't just join the libertarian party and pretend it is something it isn't....it is right wing, reactive, full of conspiracy kooks and people who think the government is trying to take their guns.

The gun thing is the funniest, which makes me think that the libertarian party is created by American arms manufacturers to create hysterics concerning gun control every time a Dem gets in....Carter didn't take your guns...Clinton didn't take your guns....Obama didn't take your guns....it is one of the biggest red herrings in politics.

The thing about libertarians that bothers me the most of their Chicken Little attitude about everything...the sky is falling we get it....it has been falling since our nations inception and it actually fell once...due to lack of regulating the banks and markets during the 1929 stock market crash directly caused by the do nothing administrations of two concurrent presidents prior to it. If there were rules for lending money, borrowing money, and rules in place to prevent the things like the insider trading that led to market manipulation then we may not have learned that painful lesson and the mistake of laissez faire.

Libertarians who think that history books are the biggest conspiracy theories (because it doesn't match up to their self-confirmation bias) think the Great Depression is as made up as they likely think the Holocaust is just like they believe that the government is making FEMA trailers to use as concentration camps. Sorry for my language but it is fucking retarded.

So go vote for Johnson because for some reason you cannot see the stark difference between an Obama administration and a Romney administration. It must be a handicap because the two are very different.

"But they're not Ron Paul" you say? Ron Paul was a professional republican politician for the past 30 years, you can bet your ass he is voting Romney to protect his wealth. He hasn't endorsed Gary Johnson has he? Why not? Try to answer this question with intellectual sincerity for once and prove that you're not mentally slow like your signature implies.
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Oct 12 2012 04:50am
All I can provide is personal experience. Four years ago, the active members (the ones who show up to meetings) of the Libertarian party here in Southern Nevada, were mostly conspiracy theories (9/11 inside jobbers / ufos-area 51'ers / Zeitgeist'ers / big footers / anti-vaxers / you name it). Perhaps it was just an anomaly and not representative of the whole....
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Oct 12 2012 04:51am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Oct 12 2012 03:47am)
It's on about the same level of scholarship as Bigfoot sightings and alien abductions . In fact I'll bet that greater than half of all lifelong Libertarians believe in both !


LOL, scary you would say the same thing. Next I'll be accused of being a multi!

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Oct 12 2012 04:53am
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Libertarians are the same now as they have always been, widow is right.

You can't just join the libertarian party and pretend it is something it isn't....it is right wing, reactive, full of conspiracy kooks and people who think the government is trying to take their guns.

The gun thing is the funniest, which makes me think that the libertarian party is created by American arms manufacturers to create hysterics concerning gun control every time a Dem gets in....Carter didn't take your guns...Clinton didn't take your guns....Obama didn't take your guns....it is one of the biggest red herrings in politics.

The thing about libertarians that bothers me the most of their Chicken Little attitude about everything...the sky is falling we get it....it has been falling since our nations inception and it actually fell once...due to lack of regulating the banks and markets during the 1929 stock market crash directly caused by the do nothing administrations of two concurrent presidents prior to it.  If there were rules for lending money, borrowing money, and rules in place to prevent the things like the insider trading that led to market manipulation then we may not have learned that painful lesson and the mistake of laissez faire.

Libertarians who think that history books are the biggest conspiracy theories (because it doesn't match up to their self-confirmation bias) think the Great Depression is as made up as they likely think the Holocaust is just like they believe that the government is making FEMA trailers to use as concentration camps.  Sorry for my language but it is fucking retarded.

So go vote for Johnson because for some reason you cannot see the stark difference between an Obama administration and a Romney administration.  It must be a handicap because the two are very different.

"But they're not Ron Paul" you say?  Ron Paul was a professional republican politician for the past 30 years, you can bet your ass he is voting Romney to protect his wealth.  He hasn't endorsed Gary Johnson has he?  Why not?  Try to answer this question with intellectual sincerity for once and prove that you're not mentally slow like your signature implies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
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http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/04/ron-paul-will-not-endorse-gary-johnson/

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Jesse Benton, the national campaign chairman for Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential bid, flatly told The Daily Caller on Tuesday that Paul “will not endorse Gary Johnson,” the Libertarian Party’s presidential candidate.

The decision is not entirely unexpected, as Paul’s son, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, spoke at the Republican National Convention last week and has endorsed Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

During the Republican convention, Ron Paul refused to endorse Romney amid a bitter fight between Paul supporters and party leaders over delegate spots.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/04/ron-paul-will-not-endorse-gary-johnson/#ixzz2955Dob7l


Preemptive.

And I'm not clicking on a youtube video with no commentary or context. Youtube isn't a credible academic source. Try to cite youtube as a source in college and you'll get told to gtfo.

They literally let anybody put anything they want on there. Wikipedia is 1000x more reliable for information because at least it is peer reviewed and even that isn't a credible source.

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Quote (Azrad @ Oct 12 2012 06:51am)
LOL, scary you would say the same thing. Next I'll be accused of being a multi!


...I could never be a multi....these ellipses have become an addiction and would give me away... :lol:
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