quoting random statements only helps if you understand them. fact is, raven+angelic NEVER does more average damage than hl+2x ravens. worthless.

since you dont use fcr-rings in pubs your 500 mana = easy prey for any random jumping cs zon. doom doesn't really help if they're well-built. when is a cs zon "bm" btw? when she kills you cause you run out of mana?

you dont need more than 20% fcr. if you prefer 40% to kill faster in pubs trangs gloves are the obvious choice.
now tell me how you duel coldsorcs without ravens, since you claim that you dont get enough fcr with them.

go duel 125 fcr necros and 200 fcr fb sorc with 20 fcr only gl with that

and the statement that you better use angelic rings and amulet for oponents with more than 7.5k def is true do the calculations if you now how ...

MAKE SURE TO READ CAREFULLY WHAT I SAID:
1)
i use 2 fcr rings with 80+ mana which + arachnid as my pub set up ...this gives me 700+ mana and i asure you its more than enough(i do witch to ravens only if there is cold sors as their fcr isnt high, 20 fcr on my barb is ok)

2)
I use 2 ravens against cold sorc
SHOW ME EXACTLY WHERE IN MY POST I SAID I DONT USE RAVENS AGINST COLD SORC...

and how the hell are you gonna kill energy shield sorc with trand gloves ? your only source of ow will be gores and this is not good enough.

p.s this is direct quote from MCM (if you ever heard of him )

The other thing that has come to light is that using angelics gives better damage on average (taking into account chance to hit) than highlords/ravens for any opponent over 7600 defense,
and if you really want ill do some calculations for you and post so you understand what im talking about.

The main reason is that I simply haven't muled my second one lol. Also I mostly duel in public games, and the CBF is helpful against annoying 3v1 sorc, barb situations. It happens enough to merit using the raven in public duels, and I find with one ring and amu, it gives me 12k+ AR without enchant, it is enough to score the hits.

I think giff has played along time barbs and knows whats hes saying.. And Beast got OW too btw.

Dont even argue about barbs with giff (one of the "pupils" of mcm, and i think hes a close friend or something...)

i am not trying to argue about anything . I just mearly stated what i use and that it works pretty well.
all the numbers and stats are just numbers and stats, what matters is what works in game in duels.
what i said about the use of angelics vs use of ravens+highlords is true though
here is the calculation

D = Total Chance to do Double Damage
C = Chance to Hit (assume equal levels)
A = Average Damage Units (chance to hit multipled by double damage chance)

C = ((AR / (AR + DEF)) * 0.25)
A = C * (1 + D)

Example (numbers with THE GEAR I USE, adjust for your own): For AR = 14768 w/ Ravens (77.38% double) vs AR = 27662 with Angelics (49.3% double), solve for DEF:

=> (((14768 / (14768 + DEF)) * 0.25) * 1.7738 = (((27662 / (27662 + DEF)) * 0.25) * 1.493
=> 6548.8696 / (14768 + DEF) = 10324.8415 / (27662 + DEF)
=> 6548.8696(27662 + DEF) / (14768 + DEF)(27662 + DEF) = 10324.8415(14768 + DEF) / (14768 + DEF)(27662 + DEF)
=> 6548.8696(27662 + DEF) = 10324.8415(14768 + DEF)
=> 181154830.8752 + 6548.8696 * DEF = 152477259.272 + 10324.8415 * DEF
=> 28677571.6032 = 3775.9719 * DEF
=> 7594= DEF
note this is just for reference and nobody need to follow this .

hi

It is definately possible to get by with only 20 fcr in pubs. Though I think we should remind each other that pubs usually mean that you need 3 eyes in the back of your head, for most classes. Unsummon namelocks are kinda easy when noone is paying attention and you stand below them, and take advantage of that. Since they have to watch out for all kinds of stuff. So in pubs (ffa) with enough players, most people tend to lose the overview, whereas a zerk or unsummon nl is possible to get.

yawn

1. your pub setup is trash. you wont touch any decent pally with shitty fcr-rings. you are also dead as soon as coldsorc enters game. gg switch more zzzzzzzzzzzzzz?

2.
so either 20% fcr is enough or it isn't. make up your mind.
last time i checked 105% fcr coldsorcs were faster than 125% fcr necs. make up your mind.

3.

i think you answered yourself. oops?

4. keeping quoting statements that you dont even understand only makes you sound more stupid.
i say again: RAVEN+ANGELIC WILL NEVER DO MORE DAMAGE THAN HIGHLORDS+2X RAVENS. GET IT?


you really have no clue whatsoever about anything. please stop copying random statements to support your garbage theories.

This post was edited by GIFF on May 1 2006 07:30am

no you're posting false garbage. please understand that this calculation that you blatantly stole from mcm is about 2 angelic rings vs hl+2x ravens, AND THUS TOTALLY IRRELEVENT FOR YOUR ARGUMENT THAT ANGELIC+RAVEN IS A VIABLE COMBO.

Jezus christ, whenever is see that many numbers my attention wanders off... I begin think of nice flowers, sunny landscapes and Icecream.