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Jun 7 2023 05:46pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 7 2023 04:42pm)
There is no "why" to valuing my life. I simply do.


feelings.....
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Jun 7 2023 05:47pm
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feelings.....


Same can be said for any terminal goal.

Pleasing god? Feelings. Curing cancer? Feelings.
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Jun 7 2023 05:51pm
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There is no "why" to valuing my life. I simply do.


You should be able to scientifically deduce a why.

There is a why for everything - it's like asking why lightning forms, that answer isn't "it simply does", we investigate to discover the why.
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This post was edited by El1te on Jun 7 2023 05:52pm
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 7 2023 04:47pm)
Same can be said for any terminal goal.

Pleasing god? Feelings. Curing cancer? Feelings.


'atheist supposed to be above all that
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You should be able to scientifically deduce a why.

There is a why for everything - it's like asking why lightning forms, that answer isn't "it simply does", we investigate to discover the why.


This reason why could be as simple as you enjoy the pleasures of life
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Same can be said for any terminal goal.

Pleasing god? Feelings. Curing cancer? Feelings.


Eh I'd say the "why" for curing cancer is the alleviation of human suffering and prevention of death, the propagation of life
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Jun 7 2023 10:39pm
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Eh I'd say the "why" for curing cancer is the alleviation of human suffering and prevention of death, the propagation of life


You've only moved the problem one step up.

Ultimately all goals eventually end in "because I want it". That's what defines a terminal goal vs an instrumental goal.

I want to cure cancer because I want to maximize human happiness.

I want to maximize human happiness because..... I want to. Why don't I want to maximize suffering? Because I just don't. Maybe it's because my brain evolved to be pro-social, but ultimately that just explains the origin of the desire. It's still an arbitrary desire. Might as well say "because my brain impulsed in a way that made me want it".
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You've only moved the problem one step up.

Ultimately all goals eventually end in "because I want it". That's what defines a terminal goal vs an instrumental goal.

I want to cure cancer because I want to maximize human happiness.

I want to maximize human happiness because..... I want to. Why don't I want to maximize suffering? Because I just don't. Maybe it's because my brain evolved to be pro-social, but ultimately that just explains the origin of the desire. It's still an arbitrary desire. Might as well say "because my brain impulsed in a way that made me want it".


sounds meaning less? could of randomly impulsed anything while you have nothing to do with any of it
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