Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Apr 10 2022 03:45pm)

I can’t find the link, but essentially, if your fools Or cruels claw is in your main hand, the bug helps you, by giving you more AR on your off hand hit.

If your fools or cruels claw is in your offhand, the bug hurts you by giving you less AR on your offhand hit, essentially negating the +AR you have from fools mod or from cruel +master mod (150-250 ar).

It’s very significant.

Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Apr 10 2022 03:54pm)

Here is a snippet of this being explained, but still can’t find the full topic on it:

Quote (Evicted @ Apr 10 2022 06:54pm)

That's interesting... I would have to go back and find the post, but someone had tested WW for some thousand hits with no fools / mh fools / oh fools / both fools to test whether the AR applied to both weapons or just one, and they reported the percent that actually landed. The percentages lined up with the AR/defense calculation, which would imply there was no such bug. This was a pre-d2r analysis though.

Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Apr 10 2022 04:57pm)

They were wrong.

What I said is fact.

Quote (Evicted @ Apr 10 2022 07:20pm)

I don't agree or disagree, just sharing.

It would be nice to see the experimental results instead of hearsay though

Quote (Dazer_Boosting @ 28 Mar 2022 01:56)

All the following information are my personal opinions and based on my tests of all past PTR-Versions and could still be changed until the official patch 2.4 release!

Facts

• Trap laying speed is determined by a combination of weapon type and IAS (increased attack speed) breakpoints. 9 FPA (frames per animation) is the fastest trap laying speed possible, while 4 FPA is the max for whirlwind
• Offhand IAS does not impact FPA anymore (listed in patch-notes under dual-wielding weapons)
• This means that the offhand-claw type is no longer relevant for the IAS-calculations (like a shield) and all offhand-claws can reach from now on the 9 FPA max. trap laying speed breakpoint
• The new required IAS for 9 FPA changes for every clawtype
• The 4 FPA max. whirlwind IAS breakpoint remains unchanged
• All versions of AWSM (average weapon speed modifier) have been removed from the game

New 9 FPA / IAS requirements

• Greater Talons / Runic Talons - 42 IAS
• Feral Claws - 63 IAS
• Suwayyah / Scissors Suwayyah - 125 IAS
• War Fist - 174 IAS

Check it out

• Open the D2R Assassin IAS-calculator: http://d2r-sin-ias.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com
• Choose mainhand (for example Feral Claws)
• Choose no offhand
• Check the below listed table for 9 FPA
• You realize that you will need 63 IAS 9 FPA with Feral Claws mainhand now (before patch 2.4 you could use Feral Claws mainhand and Runic Talons or Greater Talons offhand and only needed 52 IAS)

New Claw-Meta

• Trapsin: Mainhand [Trap Claws] Greater Talons or Runic Talons + Offhand [Trap Claws] any clawtype
• Hybsin/Spidersin: Mainhand [Fury/Cruel/Fools Claws] Runic Talons + Offhand [Chaos Claws] Suwayyah or Scissors Suwayyah
• Ghostsin: Mainhand [Cruel/Fools Claws] War Fist + Offhand [Chaos Claws] Suwayyah or Scissors Suwayyah

Nice to know

• Suwayyah and Scissors Suwayyah bases (especially perfect ones) will probably dramatically increase in price, because of a higher request
• Runic Talons and Greater Talons bases will probably decrease a bit in value, since they will be only solid fury bases (mainhand) and not anymore also good chaos bases (offhand) compared to the high damage bases like Suwayyah
• Battle Cestus / Wrist Sword / Feral Claws will probably decrease in value as well as they are not optimal claws anymore and near impossible to reach 9 FPA trap laying speed
• All types of slow offhand claws (for example 5ls 5mb suwayyah) will be useable again from now on and as a result their price should increase aswell
• Cruel and especially Fools Claws will be more important, because the updated Martial Arts and Blade Abilities can miss now and are dependent on mainhand weapon damage and attack rating

Importance of Attack Rating

• 3 following examples (1850def, 7000def, 10000def)
• AR = Own Attack Rating
• D = Opponent Defense
• LVL = Own Character Level
• DLVL = Opponent Character Level
• Chance = Chance to hit the opponent

https://abload.de/img/dazer-ar42k5s.png

Quote (YeLLoWbUs @ May 8 2022 02:21pm)

So they changed greater claw speeds? Before you only needed 55ias from main claw for traps if wielding a greater claw/feral

Why would they nerf it so hard. Makes those claws almost useless for people who want to hit breakpoints

Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 8 2022 12:35pm)

They did not.

Reread.