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Nov 11 2019 07:45pm
Quote (00apacolypse @ Nov 11 2019 07:41pm)
Ohhh I see. It was just the way you talk about the build, it sounded like you had one but couldn't figure out how to duel on it. At this point I'm guessing you just dueled some really bad ones.

If you come back, build one and let's dance


There's a reason he was at 50% and now 40%, he's not here to discuss the build
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Nov 11 2019 08:52pm
Quote (00apacolypse @ Nov 11 2019 08:41pm)
Ohhh I see. It was just the way you talk about the build, it sounded like you had one but couldn't figure out how to duel on it. At this point I'm guessing you just dueled some really bad ones.

If you come back, build one and let's dance

It's not a complicated build to play. Mechanically it's basically just a blizz sorc with a very beefy merc.

The only reason anyone thinks it's challenging to duel with is because it's a shit build that has an uphill battle trying to win against sober players. Not because there's any depth to the playstyle.

This post was edited by Worrywart on Nov 11 2019 08:52pm
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Quote (00apacolypse @ Nov 12 2019 02:41am)
Ohhh I see. It was just the way you talk about the build, it sounded like you had one but couldn't figure out how to duel on it. At this point I'm guessing you just dueled some really bad ones.

If you come back, build one and let's dance


Dont need to have one to see the weaknesses of it.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 12 2019 02:45am)
There's a reason he was at 50% and now 40%, he's not here to discuss the build


I dont really know what im doing here, like I said that day time ago in that sauna.
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Nov 11 2019 10:57pm
Quote (Worrywart @ Nov 11 2019 08:52pm)
It's not a complicated build to play. Mechanically it's basically just a blizz sorc with a very beefy merc.

The only reason anyone thinks it's challenging to duel with is because it's a shit build that has an uphill battle trying to win against sober players. Not because there's any depth to the playstyle.


Having a recastable merc on a blizz sorc would be a pretty significant upside in gm dueling
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Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 12 2019 05:57am)
Having a recastable merc on a blizz sorc would be a pretty significant upside in gm dueling


Bear insta-dies unless u are dueling some kind of Amazon with a staff that hits with normal attack.

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Quote (Wisteria @ Nov 12 2019 12:00am)
Bear insta-dies unless u are dueling some kind of Amazon with a staff that hits with normal attack.


99 fcr is plenty to recast and get out of the way. All manageable in less than 1 second. Next complaint
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Quote (gel87 @ Nov 9 2019 05:29pm)
i love the build, i prefer none coockie cutters as well :)
my build is fc/shockwave based. like this:

2/20/30/base ar/life/chamBer diadem
2/20/20@/57life
Magefist
arach
2 x 10fcr/ar/str/dex/res
eni / eod scarab
shadows
giant tresher 2 x 40ed/15ias and 4 shaels (+4 rangeadder)
-30/+30 pb and - 20/+20 jmod

8 x shape 45
9 x 20/5@
20/20/25 Torch, yes the 25 is important for epic swirl stun
20/20 annie
cube (cta, demon limb, 2 sojs, mara)

skills:
20 fireclaw
1 shockwave
1 werebear/lycan
1oak, grizzly, ravens, the 2 wolves
20 fissure
1 cyclone
20 volcano
20 moulten
Rest fissure


on asgard i use better helm and wiz gloves bug belt and 1 free ring for wisp/raven/soj, and eth gt for nearly 3k psy on top.

i have 17 - 20 k with eth gt on asgard, so you could drop down to level 1 fc base and add good grizzly if wanted.


Im almost done with my EU version now.
I miss 3 sks. So i only have 15k dmg now. Im also using SOP + 110ias/100ar/15@ 15/3 pb. That is shit due to the range. I have not been able to try it on a gamer pc yet only on old/crappy pc's, i tried it on a PC on a Maersk RIG and it is starting to deal some dmg, but its nearly impossible to deal more than 2-3 hits with the +1 range adder pb. Vs smiters u just get smited back, and cant catch them meanwhile charging with that crap range. And vs casters i really only tried vs dudu. I almost killed him by fc, but volcano'ed him to death, he was able to wsg out of FC since crap range. So im especting it to start working when i get the 3 remaining sks and a 6sox GT.

My current gear is:
Pb 110ias/103ar/15ed/15@ + SOP monarch perf 15/15 (gonna change this to GT) . (had to HEL + TP my 30/-30 pb lol)
Cta 6/6/x + 20/-20 jmod (i change to sop for bo/summon) (gonna put sop here)
Perm Bug belt named
2dudu, 20fcr, 30frw, 74ar, 52life, BERBER
10fcr, 18str, 34life, 4@, 60ar
Raven 250/20
100% perf shadows
magefists
2/19fcr/58life/20@ ammu
Eod Scarab

20/20/25 torch
20/20/6 annie
3 x shape 45
3 x shape 42 or smt
Soon 3 more shape 40-42 ^^
10 x 20/5@

Got 2 x Eth tombs, gores, hl, trangs in stash for wolf token setup xD
And 2 rings just bought at ladder awaiting nl: 10fcr/19str/15dex/109ar/10@ + 10fcr/17sr/13dex/104ar/11@/29mana
Also when the ladder rings come i gonna mule arach back, and get myself unperm valk 08 cham + HL 08 for the Wolf setup.

So ye, dont make FC bear with PB, its to hard to connect hits xD You need range^^
Im guessing my dmg will be: 16-17k with GT, as i now have 15k missing 3 sks, but gonna loose sop's 2 skill add. Im also only level 90, so if i got myself a level 99 dudu i could either boost grizzly or firestorm. My grizzly deals like zero dmg atm. Yes it can do a little vs vita soso, but so does teeth^^
So: if i have: 4 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 = +15 to all skills. And i pump 1 to HOW and 8 to grizzly. What dmg would it deal? Im not very wandered in the summon world xD Meaning: level 16 HoW and level 24 grizzly and level 16 syntenergies.
Or if i put in an effort and spendt like 4 skills getting armageddon. What would level 16 armageddon deal in dmg? (no facets)

So without the -res and with people having some stack, and most good ones using sop the its really only fireclaw that deal's dmg. I BM'ed 3 BVB's meanwhile they BM'ed eachother and got 2mill coinz with fissure, but i guess they dont pack resists^^

Okay tested some in skill planner.
If i level to 99, add the last 3 skillers then i will have theese possibilities:
Boost FC dmg(dont counting psy dmg) from 15,1k to 16,4k via skilling fissure.
or
1 HOW + 8 Grizzly: 1466( GrizzlyBASE) * 3,45(GrizzlyED%) * 2,4 (HoW) = 11310, or 4712(without HoW).
Atm with level 1 base it has: 1889 without HoW, and if i magical leveled to 91 and skilled 1 HoW it would get: 4534.

So yes, its looks like Grizzly boosting is the shit! HoW would also add ar for me vs smiters/babas/palas in general. I have now 11,5k without the 3 missing sks. Especting it to reach 12,5k without sop, but with 3 sks. So 1 HoW aint stupid.

Skilling Armageddon cost me 4 points and deals like 3k dmg randomly, so out of the picture, it also delays my shapeshifting for like 20 seconds and only last 50 seconds. So nah. Hurricane would be a nice stun adder and vs a few builds freeze, costs 3 skills. But i like the grizzly boost, as hurry also delays shapeshifting skills for like 10 seconds...

This post was edited by gel87 on Nov 12 2019 08:11am
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Nov 12 2019 10:04am
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 12 2019 01:57am)
Having a recastable merc on a blizz sorc would be a pretty significant upside in gm dueling


but grizzly does 1500 damage before penalties, whereas merc can proc 10k+ in a poke

it's still too weak
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Nov 12 2019 12:26pm
Quote (Fari @ Nov 12 2019 10:04am)
but grizzly does 1500 damage before penalties, whereas merc can proc 10k+ in a poke

it's still too weak


What kind of sorc merc are you building that does 60,000 damage per hit? Does it involve a5 merc with Quark CB and ith arkaines with 4x kings jewels of fervor?
A plain might merc with botd war pike, fort & gillhat, counting aura active, does about 10000 damage per hit, which is 1700 before penalties. Except unlike a grizzly, a merc dies in 1 hit and is then gone indefinitely. A grizzly returns instantly on recast.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Nov 12 2019 12:27pm
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