Hey, thanks for the appreciation! I'm happy to hear people are still tweaking their builds based off my guide.

3/20/20s are absolutely best when it comes to the 4 frame fools (fk/pb), and shape lifers are best when using high damage 5 frame fools or BotDZ. 10/76/45s are best left on Barbarians or Paladins.

As far as boosting dexterity beyond max block - generally no. In fact, almost never.

The formula for this is 200% * {AR / (AR + DR)} * {Alvl / (Alvl + Dlvl)} - so, for example, if a Paladin has 46,813 defense and you are both level 99, and you have 35,000 attack rating, your chance to hit is 43%. After max block that's 11% chance to hit. So about two sets of fury swings to land one hit. If you get your ar to 47,000, it goes to 50% chance to hit and 12.5% after max block... which is still about one hit landing every two sets of furies. You'd need to swing more than 150 times for that percentage to equal another hit.

So yeah, don't do it.

4 frame definitely reigns supreme vs zeal... vs barbs there are 5 framers that can work better, but they are all Seraph rods.

Speaking of CBF, you don't need it at 5 frame if you have enough oias. You can use the German weapon speed calculator to check this for yourself. Click the button that says "decrepify" because it has the same penalty as being frozen on attack speed.

And as for damage pelts... I have almost always said Cerberus and Guillaume's are the only helms a fury needs. For a pelt to be better than Jalal's it needs to be 10 fhr 40 life 2 socks fools and 2dru/3fury - and I think maybe one of those exists on the realm. And Jalal's is almost never better than the other two main helms unless it's vs a very particular paladin you absolutely need 3 frame hit recovery and a bit of extra HP as compared to gface.

After running more tests on 3/20/20s vs 10/76/45s - the bonus of 3/20/20s outweighs the 10/76/45s. Druids just have too much % life bonuses to give them up.

The additional Dexterity points are in support of a FK fools. They provide extra damage as well as extra defense and attack rating. If I wasn't running FK as my base weapon then I would totally agree.

I have found 5 frame Berserker Axes work very well versus Barbarians as well. I haven't tried a Seraph Rod but I found BA > SR when running a Paladin versus Barbarian and Druid. I'm curious though about the oIAS point for Berserker Axe, do I need 30 oIAS or can I get away with 70 IAS from the weapon plus only 20 oIAS from Highlords?

My Visionary Pelt is 2/3/10/40/2. I found a use for it.

i disagree.

ive just tested .. adding more dex generally helps vs zealers if using FK. dont pump too much (i pumped about 72 dex) but ive ran 40k ar on a pelt setup and 42k ar for a cerebus setup.

Both of you guys can disagree all you want but the math is on my side here...

72 extra dexterity, as I already showed, isn't going to increase attack rating enough to add more than a percent chance. AND, it's only an extra 54% enhanced damage in an already massive damage pool.

If it adds 200 more damage, remember that goes through damage reduced and the pvp penalty. 200 damage is only 17, which is 8.5 average. If you land 15 hits in the duel, that's 127 extra damage you dish and you lost 156 base life before bo, oak, lycan to do it...

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Apr 21 2018 01:18pm

aroooooooooo

Ink, I’ve been running amuck in PN/1 again. Would be cool to run into you again sometime

Could probably use some equipment input. I’ll post some screens later if I see you’ve replied.

I was in there last night... will hop on again soon!

Ah damn. Time zone differences I guess; I’m east coast.

Most people still go to the Druid Grove public bnet channel. I always see a few people in there no matter when I log in. Sometimes it's 1 dude for several weeks and then suddenly 18 people.

I drop by often, Royal. is always there.