Meh this sux

Volcano is a bad skill and so is grizzly without synergies, it’ll have almost no life and really low ar and won’t hit anything vs chars with a bit of defense

Fissure and geddon damage with 10-12 facets in gear and enigma >

so lets say you duel a hammerdin, you southwalk and shockwave him as he jumps you. ur grizzly dies 100% now. he might take 2 hits of armageddon meanwhile and 1 second burn dmg.
u unchange, walk further south and quickly puts up a grizzly at distance and tele alway 1 tele when safe and put up a cano on him, now u instant jump him if safe and bear is lucky and hits him and u throw 2-3 firestorms in his face, walks south and places a fissure at ur and his feets and armageddon hits 2 more timed. u also have to swap to facet side after casting the bear. u also slams a moulten boulder which by luck kb him back 3 times and then explodes as he tried to run into you to smite/foh stun u at that point which also makes him movung inside fissure giving 4 more hits. remember this is a bit dreamscenario xD

armageddon 4 x 7626 + 1511*2 = 33526
cano:
1807 * 5 / 4 = 2258 (75% blocked)
850 * 5 / 4 = 1062 (75% blocked, physical)
grizzly: lets say 8000, i think i messed up summon skills.
firestorm: 9216 * 4 = 36000ish burn dmg.
moulten boulder:
1343 * 4 = 5372 physical
1804 * 4 = 7216 fire
1529 burn
fissure
6000 * 4 = 24000

total fire dmg:
24000 + 7216 + 1529 + 36000 + 2258 + 33526 = 104k

total psy dmg:
5372 + 8000 + 1062 = 14413

104000 * 0,17 = 17680
14413 * 0,17 = 2450

lets assume this pala was left with 75fr after facets and 50% dr.
2450 * 0,5 = 1225 physical
17680 * 0,25 = 4420

most palas will have 90 fr.
17680 * 0,1 = 1768

also keep in my dmg would be lowered if shockwave, also u rarely get theese lucky series, but u often get more than 1 chance xD so yes a shaman can drain down enemies, and shockwave is not needed due to all the delays etc.

mauler has free skills to max bear and how and uses shockwave.
it also can put 1 hurrican and boost a little cyclone for duration and stuff, but it got no way to remove summons, so ur grizzly usually dont hit ^^ u can get a decent bear with enough ar to hit palas/babas with it. people talking about 30k def babas, dont listeb to them, those are the bvbs, bvc/bva got more like 12-16k def or even less. i made a bvc on asgard just to troll fpk with bvb'ing. everything eth, eth eni, eth helm, eth upped gores all eth and max shout and iron skin. that reached 30k def dual axed.

u can on a shaman get like 19k ar on grizzly, the syntenergies on summons for druids are not hardpoint based, they are total skill level based.

This post was edited by gel87 on Jul 16 2020 04:47am

Hmm didn’t know about the last part, that’s odd

yes, its not the same guys making lod as d2 classic i think

Volcano is simply used as a utility skill to FHR someone, not for damaging.
Grizzly does just fine as is, and I've 1 hit plenty of sorcs, zons, dual wielding barbs and other low block/defense characters. They're the easiest duels that take me the smallest effort to win.

The only matchup that gives me personally any issue are hammerdins due to huge dmg, resists, MB/HS, and the fact that 95% of them arnt legitimately dueling.

Cano is blockable though and only really fhr’s someone if you shockwave first or assa with mind blast in time

1 point sw / werebear or even lycan can have some usages mostly in scenarios where you want to be mb/dr and tank out someone you can't outmaneuver like a BvC
if it comes down to a barb whirling through fissures and the duel being something of a race between his ww output vs your physical mitigation and your fissure -resists vs his stack, shamans can certainly win that with an mb setup with 75 block / 50 dr / -60% fire resist if the barb isn't stacked- but its a lot less manageable when he's 90% stacked resist. And when a druid is on a vita glass build than even with mass -resists a barb can take chances to win. But in those duels, you can try to werebear and sw right as they get on top of you, to punish the end of their whirl. Its still not something you want to keep up a lot and can backfire, since you can't shift immediately after fissure and its going to delay further fissures, which makes an opening for the barb if he baited you into it without committing.

shamans have the tools to punish dins, you can outcharge charge with bearswipes, you can hose down sync with fissures, you can lay traps for dins trying to aggressively telestomp with grizzly getting off a hit before it dies to hammers. But the fact that many dins will actually have 90%+ stacked resists, 75% block and 50% dr with 4k life makes it a pointless slog and since its dins they're probably spamming juvs anyway



being blockable is what makes volcano interrupt people even if it doesn't reach the FHR threshold. If they're max block, it can do a pretty good job of tripping them up for a second. But since blocking has a free 10 frame window they'll always be able to teleport out. That interrupt is enough for a volcano/bearswipe combo even on chars who won't get FHR'd by it.
its hard to make volcano reach the FHR threshold with a pure +skills / physical damage build, but it can reach a FHR threshold with a facet setup and lots of -resists
and even if its only 37.5% chance to FHR with 1/16 of their max hp, volcano can really chew through people on its own as a one-click-combo

on the volcano heavy setup, you can hit 3400 fire with -60% resists (+1120 phys). If some glass caster has 75% unstacked fire resist / 8% dr that's ~670 HP per hit, and will have 75-100% chance to FHR them
but a stacked 75% resist / 50% dr char takes 240, and you'd only reach the 37.5% FHR threshold if they're less than 3900 hp

but that volcano setup is pretty terrible at doing anything but volcano (and fissure) since you're playing full fire druid charms, no fcr, no mb/dr, etc.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 16 2020 01:00pm

I still wanna see how a shaman can beat a windy without shockwave cano. You have a shaman on East, Goom? I have chars on both ladder and nonladder, but am somewhat in the middle of gearing/leveling on ladder. Would love to have some friendly duels and theorycraft.

fissure ground, spam firestorm. meanwhile armageddon does its part and bear swipes.