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Jul 23 2017 09:45pm
Quote (Khboer @ Jul 23 2017 10:37pm)
Based on what? Ilvl of a War Scepter found there indicates 5 sockets.



Based on me giving larzuk eth crystal swords, ethreal polearms, and white war scepters (for rift runeword) from normal cows every single ladder reset
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Jul 23 2017 09:53pm
Quote (4nothin @ Jul 23 2017 07:45pm)
Based on me giving larzuk eth crystal swords, ethreal polearms, and white war scepters (for rift runeword) from normal cows every single ladder reset


Crystal Swords and polearms are only going to get 4 sockets with ilvl below 41. There are only 4 weapon types that get 5 sockets below ilvl 41, Double Axe, Military Pick, War Axe, and War Scepter, and their exceptional and elite equivalents.

You shouldn't get 4 sock from Larzuk on a war scepter unless all the charts are wrong
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Jul 23 2017 10:11pm
Quote (Khboer @ Jul 23 2017 10:53pm)
Crystal Swords and polearms are only going to get 4 sockets with ilvl below 41. There are only 4 weapon types that get 5 sockets below ilvl 41, Double Axe, Military Pick, War Axe, and War Scepter, and their exceptional and elite equivalents.

You shouldn't get 4 sock from Larzuk on a war scepter unless all the charts are wrong



This guy blocked me from messaging him... i will explain. I make rift runeword in a war scepter for my assassin every ladder. Getting a gul rune is easy. So is the 4os war scepter. Know why? Because all i do is find a white war scepter from normal cows and give it to larzuk. When someone on jsp is buying a 4os war scepter all i do is make a normal cow game and kill cows until a white war scepter drops, as long as the person pays more fg then a socket quest is worth. Guess what? I give it to larzuk and it gets 4 sockets and i sell it. cant get 5 sockets from any item in normal cows. Sorry bud.
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Jul 23 2017 10:24pm
Quote (4nothin @ Jul 23 2017 08:11pm)
This guy blocked me from messaging him... i will explain. I make rift runeword in a war scepter for my assassin every ladder. Getting a gul rune is easy. So is the 4os war scepter. Know why? Because all i do is find a white war scepter from normal cows and give it to larzuk. When someone on jsp is buying a 4os war scepter all i do is make a normal cow game and kill cows until a white war scepter drops, as long as the person pays more fg then a socket quest is worth. Guess what? I give it to larzuk and it gets 4 sockets and i sell it. cant get 5 sockets from any item in normal cows. Sorry bud.


I'll give it a shot. Everything I read out there says it shouldn't work. It'd be interesting to know if there's actually a socket cap for Larzuk/cube on items found in normal regardless of ilvl.

It would help if you didn't title your message "get rekt kid".
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Jul 23 2017 10:38pm
Just took a double Axe from norm cows to Larz. 5os. I'll try with a war scepter next
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Jul 24 2017 04:51am
Ok, I've done some research into drop generation mechanics :)

In general it's a disaster ^^ You gain nothing at all farming NM lvl 39-52 areas.

The mechanics are pretty much what Zeronim0 said:
Quote (Zeronim0 @ Jul 23 2017 07:22pm)
Fresh game: Unique ring pool is [Nagel ( 15/31 ), Manald ( 15/31 ), SoJ ( 1/31 )]

  1. If an unique ring is rolled, then pick one with rand[31] in the pool.

    Odds : Nagel ( 15/31 ), Manald ( 15/31 ), SoJ ( 1/31 )

    Then remove the unique one picked, so unique ring pool become [Rare ( 15/31 ), Manald ( 15/31 ), SoJ ( 1/31 )]

    New odds: Rare ( 15/31 ), Manald ( 15/31 ), SoJ ( 1/31 )

  2. If a Manald is picked ( Nagel & Manald odds are about 1/2 )

    Unique ring pool become [Rare ( 15/31 ), Rare ( 15/31 ), SoJ ( 1/31 )]

    And new odds: Rare ( 15/31 ), Rare ( 15/31 ), SoJ ( 1/31 )
  3. Untill a third unique ring is picked from the pool witch become [Rare ( 15/31 ), Rare ( 15/31 ), Rare ( 1/31 )]


But it's even worse. You see, because of low area lvl the pool of all unique rings which cannot drop is replaced with rares instead. This means that if BK was about to drop it is converted to some rare crap beacause the area lvl is too low.

Representative example:
- You kill a skeleton lvl 39 in tristram NM,
- Game decides to drop a ring,
- Game decides the quality of the ring is unique,
- Game chooses BK,
- Game drops rare ring because ilvl condition to drop BK hasn't been met.

To sum up. SoJ drop rate has no connection with other unique rings' rates. Congrats to the OP for nice stories about tens of SoJ drops a day. I call bullshit :* Good trolling sire.

e/ Oh, and as for my update. No SoJ found :) Several crappy uniques only.

This post was edited by Navigatorx on Jul 24 2017 04:56am
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Jul 24 2017 06:05am
Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ 11 Jul 2017 23:58)
killing thousands of monsters per min


How many clients are you botting simultaneously?
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Jul 24 2017 10:20am
Thanks to those doing their own testing. If there are some more with results like OP I'm curious
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Jul 24 2017 10:46am
Very curious on results

does this requires 4 cd keys in 1 game to be viable?
because it seams better to spend 4 bots mfing hell rather than
4 in 1 game soj finding.


or can you just run the auradin and make it worthwhile?
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Jul 24 2017 01:53pm
Quote (Navigatorx @ 24 Jul 2017 12:51)
...Edited...

But it's even worse. You see, because of low area lvl the pool of all unique rings which cannot drop is replaced with rares instead. This means that if BK was about to drop it is converted to some rare crap beacause the area lvl is too low.

...Edited...


Being in area where monster have a mLvl < 53, allow to prune the pool of the unique ring !

While building the pool, the items require an iLvl >= QLvl, else it won't be added to the pool of the available items...

No matter how you turn the stuff ( nor how long you stay in game ) as long as you stay in the right areas: the odds to get a SoJ remain 1/31 if a unique ring is picked from the pool ~ :)

The Op method rely on to a fast mass murderer, which isn't that bad since such areas allow a high mf amount :thumbsup:

Note: mLvl = iLvl for ring, Qlvl of [ Soj is 39, Dwarft Star & Raven Frost is 53 ]
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