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Dec 10 2020 02:19pm
Quote (hasteful @ Dec 10 2020 08:17pm)
I believe this is false; at least for 50% of the player base.


you mean the guys who fail to click or the half which have no gear and struggles to get into climbs? Or the fact climbs can take 20 mins to start where you get 0 actions in that period?

Would be curious on your reasoning.
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Dec 10 2020 02:21pm
Quote (hasteful @ Dec 11 2020 09:17am)
I believe this is false; at least for 50% of the player base.


Awesome advice, I totally agree with this statement 100%

EDIT: it is like saying to a smoker smoking a cigarette that "when you are smoking that cigarette and the taste of it is making your throat harsh (hoarse) to stop puffing on it"

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Dec 10 2020 02:28pm
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Dec 10 2020 02:26pm
Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 10 2020 03:19pm)
you mean the guys who fail to click or the half which have no gear and struggles to get into climbs? Or the fact climbs can take 20 mins to start where you get 0 actions in that period?

Would be curious on your reasoning.


My average solo climb yields over 4000 prof points.
Normal groups about 1/3 of that amount
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Dec 10 2020 02:40pm
Quote (hasteful @ Dec 10 2020 08:26pm)
My average solo climb yields over 4000 prof points.
Normal groups about 1/3 of that amount


and how long do each of those take?
Groups tend to give around 1.5k-2k.

I am arguing about the time it takes to gain 10,000 prof points. Or how many prof points can be gained in an hour.

Quote (izParagonzi @ Dec 10 2020 08:21pm)
Awesome advice, I totally agree with this statement 100%


I am willing to do the testing myself, as i dont really mind solo'ing or groups.
Lets choose either a barb or paladin, you can choose my solo'ing skill set.
I will not be using salvation or healback and will only town to shrine for the solo climb.


I suppose i should point out the fallacy of this arguement:

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To make this even... there were 5 group members = 5 actions = each getting 9 prof points (ALL successful hit checks right?)... so, since I am a solo player... you can NOT multiply the prof points gained in the explanation above, you can only use the ACTION total... 5

Now, you got the works... it is time to give myself the topping:

5 instances while solo'ing my character has full Revenge charge vs 3 mob wave in the first 2 columns and successfully hit check all of them and 1 hit kill receiving 3 prof points per wave = 15 prof points (5 actions)

Now... here are the results:

Bob (you) in full group (organised) 5 (actions) x 9 monster wave = 9 prof point
Me solo, 5 actions x 3 monster wave = 15 prof point.


So, lets say you have 12 actions versus the max number of mobs. Lets also argue we're both using paladins.

So in solo you would have taken 36 hits, this isn't enough to charge your revenge for 5 separate attempts to use revenge at 16% or higher. So i'm going to suggest 4 revenge with 8 standard hits.
This is 4*3 = 12 hits + 8 standard hits = 20 total.
In a group with just revenge
I would have taken in 12 actions around 60-90 hits from mobs. This is enough charge twice as many low % revenges, to let you stand a chance lets argue and say i only got 6 in with 6 standard actions.
this is 6*6 = 36 hits + 6 standard hits = 42 total.

I've not even included multistrike in this arguement as it's entirely un-necessary.
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Dec 10 2020 02:45pm
Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 10 2020 03:40pm)
and how long do each of those take?
Groups tend to give around 1.5k-2k.

I am arguing about the time it takes to gain 10,000 prof points. Or how many prof points can be gained in an hour.



My last group climb took about 10 months to complete πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Last solo took like 3 days.

Points per hour? Yeah group wins.
Points per climb? Solo wins.

It’s basically pointless to attempt to farm them though. Look at the prof leaders ~ is 30 points of ee worth the years of playing to achieve??? No.
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Dec 10 2020 02:56pm
Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 11 2020 09:40am)
and how long do each of those take?
Groups tend to give around 1.5k-2k.

I am arguing about the time it takes to gain 10,000 prof points. Or how many prof points can be gained in an hour.



I am willing to do the testing myself, as i dont really mind solo'ing or groups.
Lets choose either a barb or paladin, you can choose my solo'ing skill set.
I will not be using salvation or healback and will only town to shrine for the solo climb.


I suppose i should point out the fallacy of this arguement:



So, lets say you have 12 actions versus the max number of mobs. Lets also argue we're both using paladins.

So in solo you would have taken 36 hits, this isn't enough to charge your revenge for 5 separate attempts to use revenge at 16% or higher. So i'm going to suggest 4 revenge with 8 standard hits.
This is 4*3 = 12 hits + 8 standard hits = 20 total.
In a group with just revenge
I would have taken in 12 actions around 60-90 hits from mobs. This is enough charge twice as many low % revenges, to let you stand a chance lets argue and say i only got 6 in with 6 standard actions.
this is 6*6 = 36 hits + 6 standard hits = 42 total.

I've not even included multistrike in this arguement as it's entirely un-necessary.


Am I fucking reading this correctly? @ level 10 I have a 48% charge up revenge skill... wtf are you talking about?
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Dec 10 2020 08:56pm)
Am I fucking reading this correctly? @ level 10 I have a 48% charge up revenge skill... wtf are you talking about?


well at the same level, the guy in the group is receiving at least twice as many hits and hits twice as many mobs.

How stupid can you fucking get that group is faster than solo?
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Dec 10 2020 03:03pm
Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 11 2020 09:58am)
well at the same level, the guy in the group is receiving at least twice as many hits and hits twice as many mobs.

How stupid can you fucking get that group is faster than solo?


Are you that desperate to win a debate over semantics?

At level 1, use a stat armor (this thread is using OFF ratio stat to reduce killspeed and NOT removing EE weapon for Critical Hit Checks... NOT Critical Strike as in the mod you get from items) ... to level 15 (yup... level 1 armor all the way to level 15, why the fuck change it for damage reducing your chances of gaining prof points while leveling up faster... ACTIONS baby... ACTIONS get prof points... NOT SPEED leveling)

EDIT... you know what... I am just on the verge of fucking proving all fucktards that believe that full group climbs give more Prof points by just rerolling characters (or 1) solo'ing and getting Rank 10 in all weapons and charms.

FUCK group climbs... a prof hunter will reroll when necessary and also equip items to use if other item rank is higher, then switch back... WTF... isn't this what a PROF HUNTER WILL DO... fuck the group climb shit... moronic argument is yours saying that the actions don't count... fuck, you can NOT gain any prof points when your level is lower than your current rank, nor do you gain them when hitting 0... how many Azapnids do you run across and for speed people in the group use Multistrike to clear them? so 9 wave of Azapnids and only 1 chance to get a single prof point... fucking stupid right?

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Dec 10 2020 03:12pm
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Dec 10 2020 03:07pm
Quote (izParagonzi @ Dec 10 2020 09:03pm)
Are you that desperate to win a debate over semantics?

At level 1, use a stat armor (this thread is using OFF ratio stat to reduce killspeed and NOT removing EE weapon for Critical Hit Checks... NOT Critical Strike as in the mod you get from items) ... to level 15 (yup... level 1 armor all the way to level 15, why the fuck change it for damage reducing your chances of gaining prof points while leveling up faster... ACTIONS baby... ACTIONS get prof points... NOT SPEED leveling)


Yes and i've already pointed out you get at least twice as many actions in a group climb.
1 multistrike on 9 mobs = 9 actions
1 revenge on 6 mobs = 6 actions

What part of this are you not getting?
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Dec 10 2020 03:13pm
Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 11 2020 10:07am)
Yes and i've already pointed out you get at least twice as many actions in a group climb.
1 multistrike on 9 mobs = 9 actions
1 revenge on 6 mobs = 6 actions

What part of this are you not getting?


You are comparing oranges to apples... you are bob... out of 5 actions (basically, the 5 actions includes the full group members) you got 9 prof points, whereas my character got 15 prof points out of 5 actions

edited..

Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 11 2020 09:58am)
EDIT... you know what... I am just on the verge of fucking proving all fucktards that believe that full group climbs give more Prof points by just rerolling characters (or 1) solo'ing and getting Rank 10 in all weapons and charms.

FUCK group climbs... a prof hunter will reroll when necessary and also equip items to use if other item rank is higher, then switch back... WTF... isn't this what a PROF HUNTER WILL DO... fuck the group climb shit... moronic argument is yours saying that the actions don't count... fuck, you can NOT gain any prof points when your level is lower than your current rank, nor do you gain them when hitting 0... how many Azapnids do you run across and for speed people in the group use Multistrike to clear them? so 9 wave of Azapnids and only 1 chance to get a single prof point... fucking stupid right?


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