In my teens I was all about looking jacked and replicate some super hero on tv. But that wears off with time. Now I just shake my head and say wait till you get older bro when you tear a meniscus or have a mini heart attack. Fuck that shit no one lives forever, start making your long term health choices now. This roiding and over training bullshit is short money.

I was jacked in a good way in my teens and I am still jacked (less than back then of course). All I do is pull ups from time to time and dips whenever I run close to a park nearby. Otherwise, I just run. My routine is 97% running and very rarely doing strength exercises.

We live in capitalism. Not the best or healthy way survives or develops but the practices which generate the most amount of money. Gyms, fitness studios, supplement industry, orthopedics fixing all the issues from lifting heavy weights too often, influencer industry, model agencies etc. make billions by selling the bullshit noone needs. If you want to be healthy till your late 80s join some bullshido discipline. You won't learn how to fight in real life but their routines are more effective long term than the jack up industry. Karate is my favourite.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jan 15 2023 09:22am

Adding lean mass is directly correlated with an improvement of your overall health. Excess adipose tissue is directly related to a shorter lifespan with significant morbidities such as heart disease and kidney disease.

Excessive adipose tissue protecting vital organs is such a weird argument, I’m not even sure how to discuss that…. How oddly specific of an instance do you need to be in where excessive fat will likely protect your vital organs against an outside stimuli? More likely than dying of heart disease from being overweight?

Nobody is saying that peak health is being exotically lean and muscular, even pros know that, but to say that they’re in the same position as an obese person is silly.

This is mostly from studies about correlations, not cause and effects. How it really works by an example: say, you're 180cm. Max acceptable weight would be around 80kg. Some people have got thinner frame so theirs would be 77-78kg, big boned people would lean towards 81-83kg. Your genetical makeup usually prevents you to become heavier than that if you live an active life style and don't eat like a pig.
The process of aging is directly related to the amount of oxygen you consume throughout your life and wear and tear on your heart/organs. If you weigh 80kg you need to eat enough calories to sustain that mass. By burning energy, you free free radicals which cause you to age. The more you breathe, use up energy, the faster you age. Muscles are metabolically more active than fat. If your fat percentage is 12-15% (healthy male) you need less energy to sustain that mass than when you've got more muscles. Yes, with more muscles you're less likely to get fat because your daily consumption is higher but why no just eat less See, the argumentation is backwards, you don't need more muscles to compensate for your overeating, you need to eat less.
The other part is the heart and the organs. You need a minimum level of activity to ensure they all function properly. It's called cardiovascular activity or short cardio. A weak heart has to beat more often to sustain the 80kg than a strong one. The heart ages faster, so do you with your main motor. You have to have cardio in your training to keep your heart+organs in balance for that reason however there's no need to run marathons or jog every morning. That's also bullshit propagated by the fitness and mode industry in order to sell more shoes, fix broken knees, hips etc. It's enough to do just 2x 30min equivalent of running per week. It's like walking 2 hours fast or riding a bicycle for an hour or choose an activity of your choice. Then, two or three times per month you need strength training (not bulking up training with sets etc. which actually trains endurance and some strength) to keep your bone density high, muscle activation acute (neuronal paths) and to stimulate keeping/increasing your muscle mass (depends 95% on genetics). Most effective activators are front squats, pullups, military press and deadlifts. You do them 3 x 3-5 reps with as heavy as possible.

That's it actually.


We've got a misunderstanding here. I didn't say it's okay to be overweight or fat to have organ stability. I said having a six pack is unhealthy. Why? You get bellow 12% body fat. I'm not going to google for you everything. You need minimum amount of fat for organ and heart stability (heart is surrounded by fat tissue). By having 15% body fat at 80kg, you're neither fat or overweight, you just don't see your sixpack. 8% bodyfat is so hard to achieve for a healthy human body, for it's very unhealthy and unnatural state for the body. Most influencers or bodybuilders use roids and other stuff to achieve that "feat".


Again, in no way is muscular person comparable to a fat person. But exceedingly overweight people (muscles included) who train a lot, specially cardiovascular activities (cardio is actually harder than strength training on the body) die/age faster. I'd never recommend an adipose person to do cardio training to lose weight (commonly recommended by trainers). Overweight people shouldn't train at all until their weight is brought down to accepatable levels by diet alone. They shouldn't do any exercise besides walking.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jan 15 2023 02:48pm

No you can't ! If it's your time to go , Life will have its way with you and ascend you into the after-life. No matter how wealthy , healthy , humble or giving you are ' Nature is able to take your life in an instance . Death doesn't discriminate if you're healthy or not.

This post was edited by Juice_WRLD on Jan 16 2023 03:05pm

is this real?

Yes, imagine yourself carrying bags of stones on your back and around your limbs. You've got a weak heart as well from not being trained. What do you think happens when you do sports? Even walking or taking stairs is hard for them. That's the reason they've got trouble breathing and sweat a lot. The result of any kind of running or other rigorous exercises would be damaged cartillages and rapid aging. They don't need strength training either. Adipose people are already strong from carrying their own weight compared to a normal person.
Best a really heavy person can do is to go on a diet, to walk (most feasable sport for them, they burn more calories than you run) and to shorten their stomach via an operation if possible.
Diet industry is another bullshit with no carb, keto etc. (they change up every month) Nope, if you feel alright, there is no need to go on an extreme diet meant flr sick people in the first place. The real "diet" is to stop eating too much + no drinks at all except for water. No rocket science actually.

The most popular extreme diet form, ketosis, melts your own fat. Your fat is animal fat which means your blood gets flooded with bad cholesterol. That's super bad for arteria and heart. Most important energy source for men are carbs and proteins. Don't overeat and you won't have problems. For women, fat is much better than carbs.

Moral of the story, don't become overweight in the first place.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jan 17 2023 12:14am

By that logic we would still have average life span of 35 years from 2000 years ago.

What money is worth your own health? His "best years in life" were spent pushing hard, he didnt have a lot of time to chill just like other pro athletes. I just dont understand the point of risking your heart with steroids just to be big and shiny on stage.

Why is roid use cheered on but junkies are considered the lowest of the low? Both abuse substances to achieve a subjective gain at the expense of health. Both are drug addicts in the literal sense.

Why do boxers and football players risk cte?

It's what they love doing, literally no bodybuilder gets that big because they want to be healthy. They've accepted somewhere down the road that they're becoming a literal piece of art, and they'll get there doing whatever it takes. People will be screaming "YEAH BUDDY" for decades to come, and that's the impression that he wanted to leave.