Props to you for the honest answers man.

I would believe you before I believe that Vault guy.

Even after what you've told me. I wouldn't donate to the site simply because its not transparent as to whats really going on.

The fact you've just told me and other people the site was hacked 2 times. Is not a very big thing to be proud of.

In the end I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens. I still think it's not going to happen tho.
The track record of this guy is unreliability and what I've been told from power bot, He doesn't even know how to write the code.
He's been paying other people to write it for him and you've even admitted to us that there are bugs in the system.

Even if you can 100% get the bugs fixed and have a perfectly fine and stable server.
Then you're going to have to deal with the problems that Markeedragon addressed in his video. Legal Recourse .

Unless Vault has certified proof that hes making no money. I don't think this is going to ever come to fruition.

And P.S , does this soul split place have 180k registered members like 2006scape has currently?

Well, soulsplit has 26,000 registered members on their forums, but has like 3-4k active players. I did hear from someone that they're making around 20k a month from donations and advertisements. Given that they only have like 5 servers, there is NO WAY that they aren't profiting from it. What confuses me, is why would 2006scape have any more of a chance of being shut down than near reality or soul split?

Also, to be fair, hiring people to work for you is not unheard of.. look at pretty much any company and there are CEOs that hire people to do their work for them. Starbucks, KFC, whatever. All of them have employees that are paid. If you've got the money, why not? He does do some coding himself though. On occasion I see him fixing bugs or adding small features here and there, but there isn't anything wrong with paying other people.

We are taking measures to hopefully avoid the long arm of the law, like hosting the server and website off-shore, but I'm not sure if that has been proven to work (Near reality and soulsplit both do this). We do not want to come to blows with Jagex as they would obviously win any kind of legal dispute. I am in the same position as the players. Now that my work on the site is pretty much finished, all we can really do is wait and see. It's up to the server developers whether or not this server is realized. I hope it is, though; too may people are behind the project for it to not be.

Spicyhash from what you are saying, Will you refund all the donations to everyone who donated if the site goes down?
Considering no one even got to play the game at all it would be the least you could do?

He isn't in charge of the management. Just web design or something, Still nice to have some words from an insider.

Indeed iti s very nice.

He seems to know what hes talking about , but i would still like some confirmation on if the site will stay down or go up.

This post was edited by JezzaDl on Jun 23 2012 12:49am

Even if the site does go down because of this attack we'll just move to a different host. I have a full site backup from earlier today - it won't be any problem at all. That's IF the site is down indefinitely, we won't have a choice but to move hosts. I can only assume that the attacks will stop eventually, and hopefully before tomorrow at 4 eastern time.

About the donations:

Short answer: No.

Long answer: When you make donations, in real life, online, or whatever, they are assumed non-refundable. A donation is usually an amount you contribute to something like your local church, a neighborhood cleanup, or something like that. It's an amount of money that you can afford to lose and don't expect to get anything in return. This obviously doesn't sound good or help the situation but I'm not going to lie about it.
From wikipedia: "A donation is a gift given by physical or legal persons, typically for charitable purposes and/or to benefit a cause. A donation may take various forms, including cash offering, services, new or used goods including clothing, toys, food, and vehicles. Donations are given without return consideration. This lack of return consideration means that, in common law, an agreement to make a donation is an "imperfect contract void for want of consideration.""

Considering the minimum amount to receive donor status was $1 and then later increased to $2, it doesn't seem like that much money to get upset over. FYI the reason for this increase was because, with the way Paypal calculates fees, the net amount of the transaction of $1 ended up being like 33 cents or something.

I don't want to be the bad guy as honestly I'm only trying to diffuse this situation and mass panic caused by the site being down and am trying to answer all of your questions honestly. It does seem like the donations should be refunded, but that is how everyone thinks these days. People don't donate to anything unless they're going to get something in return. It should be called a payment.

This post was edited by Spicyhash on Jun 23 2012 01:01am

I didn't mind donating for it was only 5$, But still & yes he did word it very well even though we were paying for a service( to get into the pre-alpha ) It is still classed as a donation i am fine with this. I'm just saying considering your record of scamming people its a pretty big dick move to at least not let anyone play, That is if this is non-legit. If it is im still looking very foward to this

I doubt it is legit. I'm not blaming SpicyHash because he isn't the master mind here. Hes just a middle man.

but I don't think this "mod" vault is going to be able to get the server running in time for the event he had planned. and maybe not at all.
Look how badly the site is being attacked now.

It's obvious someone has a vendetta against this site or Vault as a person.

Whoever is orchestrating the attacks has something to prove. and maybe its to stop him from collecting more donations?

^ This is what people don't realize.

If/when this server begins to make money off of it, is when it'll be shut down, legally.

No, if it was called a payment he would have no choice but to refund or face legal problems for he offered a service for the money & did not supply the service
Sorry if i'm or anyone is making you look liketh e bad guy im just eraging because of what happened