Not Romanian, could you help me understand how the descriptive word for black - "Negru" has 'worse' connotations than the derogative "negro" in an english context?

Why do you think the ref being fined/fired is not enough of a punishment for his actions? In all seriousness, his career is probably over in a global stage. You still think this is not enough?

Negro is a term used to describe black PEOPLE in English context.

Negru is used to describe the color black. Whether people use it to describe the color of someone's skin, the word remains the same.


For me, this seems like an unfortunate choice of words and a language barrier. Not a racist undertone - but I can't speak for the person.

A black person who only speaks English hears the word Negru, would assume someone is saying Negro, and in this context, can be taken as derogatory. In this professional setting, especially with the history of Racism in football, it just seems like a combination of language barrier, poor choice of words, and racial sensitivity due to the history.



Again, not speaking for anyone other than myself and what I think happened

EDIT: To add to this; Romanian's DO have a translation for the English variation of the N word and it sounds nothing like it, so again, just seems like a poor choice of words within a professional setting and a language barrier.

https://context.reverso.net/translation/romanian-english/cioara

This post was edited by xrmd on Dec 8 2020 03:42pm

FFs he was only trying to describe a player. Now there's all kind of arguments to make this seem like "racist". Language barrier or anything. In spanish you can say "negro" as in black color, is not racist as long as you're not saying it in a mean way. But yeah, you usually say it as "moreno" which means the same but is more "polite". I swear sometimes ppl are just too sensitive over the wrong stuff.

You have to take into account the other person's culture though... If you've not experienced that culture before you may not understand it.

Especially in a professional setting.

This post was edited by xrmd on Dec 8 2020 04:41pm

all their matches are void then no?

bizarre incident there, thought the Cavani “incident” was bizarre but it was only the 11th month of 2020

NO TO RACISM

This is so stupid. The 4th ref was telling the ref "it was the black one, go see who he was" because he couldn't see the players number, and was trying to physically describe who was the player that needed to be carded.

Let's hope Modric isn't offended if soemeone says "it was the blonde one".

There's no language barrier bs, because the assistant manager that started to make a fuss, is a former Osasuna and Mallorca player with tons of years of experience in La Liga, and knows the meaning of "negro" is "black" and not "nigger" or anything racist.

Neither Istanul nor PSG wanted to play this game, it's that simple.

I agree that it most likely had no racist intention but still it's not smart of him to do it imo. You know millions are watching and that people will jump on anything at the moment.

evidently it wasnt a player it was an assistant coach.

the last sentence is interesting - neither wanted to play from the get-go but why? Istanbul makes sense but if the other match resulted in a draw P$G had to at least match that result

you know that's not quite the same. there hasn't been a centuries long history of systemic discrimination of blonde people that would make describing them by that attribute 'problematic'. i think you're very much capable of making your valid argument against fake outrage and oversensitivity without using false equivalence.

i fully agree that we should take cultural and language norms into context while evaluating such incidents, but to me it doesn't seem quite as clear cut as you're trying to suggest. there was more than one basaksehir player / official involved in this, one of the most prominent ones was demba ba btw - so pretending it was just one person, who knowingly and deliberately misrepresented what was said, doesn't really seem to be a fair description of the situation.

also, why do you think psg didn't want to play the game? what would they gain from that?