No, I'm saying it's not worth paying jones huge chunk of money when he's actually just very average. He's very noticable on the ice, but actually doesn't do much to impact the game. Especially when considered as a 1d/2d.

Ignoring this season cuz he's been trash compared to his other seasons

https://jfresh.substack.com/p/is-seth-jones-actually-elite

This article briefly covers it

He definitely would fit with provorov, just not with the Canucks cuz they lack defensive dmen

it's always interesting how analytics rate D

Doughty and Jones average 26 and 25 minutes a game but are terrible?

Because 90% of it is bullshit lol

You have to take the advanced analytics with a grain of salt.

They do provide in depth statistics to a players tendencies and ability to perform in certain situations quite well.

You can draw up what someone is worth based on advanced analytics to an extent but the true measure will always be how well a player can perform when all the chips are down in the playoffs.

You cant measure a players ability to play under pressure. It is another beast entirely when it is heart and sheer force of will that play an ever increasing factor in the playoffs.

This post was edited by Killingyouall on May 30 2021 03:39pm

yeah analytics imo is super team based you cant single out a player on a 25 man team and be like stats say this so it must be true
i dont watch cbj a lot but what ive seen jones is a pretty solid 2 way d man im sure analytics have some good points but reading some of that article its kinda sketch
“And here’s Jones again, carries the puck across the line, sends a pass out in front, and it’s just missed by Dubois” and your reaction isn’t “oh nothing really came of that,” it’s “wow, look at Jones leading the offence!”
a line like this makes me kind of smh so because dubois missed it or it got tipped or whatever you completely ignore the good that jones did because it didnt create a goal that time? seems flawed or just straight up bias

This post was edited by dragoneth on May 30 2021 03:47pm

jones is a fucking stud dman id take him any day to be the #1 dman in montreal
its absolute bs this analytics shit for this

This post was edited by Nihility on May 30 2021 03:44pm

Doughty fell off a cliff, he's no longer elite he once was. He's comparable to a prime aged Jones. That should tell you enough lol.

When your team doesn't have anyone better, yes they'll play huge chunk of minutes cuz they have no other choice. Kind of like how Myers is 2nd most used dmen behind Hughes for the Canucks but hes no where elite.

Torts would've also relied on Jones to be deployed against elite competition as you'd expect from your elite defender.





True, but these are big samples 3 to 5 worth of seasons compared with other dmen with same criteria and relative to the league . Cbj wasn't worse than sens during those seasons either. As long as it's not canucks paying 9mil+ for jones, i don't mind lol.

This post was edited by Secksii on May 30 2021 04:02pm

as for that quote thats going to be for any team whos got a solid top 4 maybe the jones werenski lines just finished a shift why not put out savard and murray? not exactly a shitty 2nd pairing
when you have more guys you can rely on you rely on your top 2 less to keep them fresher its not optimal for guys to play like 25+ a night but like you said when its all you have you use them more
and iirc that stat graphic comparables he showed for that exact stat was like a 1% difference and less then a min of toi difference so "not that much" and " a hell of a lot" is apparently like 30 secs difference according to this guy

yeah this is the graphic lol like were saying you gotta take stats with a grain of salt specially when this dude seems super biased and trying extra hard to make him seem bad like he wants him to suck cause hes not on his team or something


This post was edited by dragoneth on May 30 2021 04:27pm

Benning said he will be aggressive during free agency. That is a terrifying statement haha.

he literally explains it if you read the article.. and idk how he is being bias, he's just showing data as is. He also uses Dom and Scott Wheeler's data, not just his own too.

In fact, he even thinks Benning should go trade for Jones so that he can be paired up with Hughes and basically become their version of Werenski/Jones lol.
Jones clearly struggled this season, for many reasons but even his data didn't see him struggling to this extent. https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1398999110460575746


As for the naturalstatstick stat when he was comparing them to show that Chabot played bigger and tougher minutes on a much worse team during those seasons and provided better results across the board than Jones. It's not just to show he played 1min more on average.. the more important stat is the relative xGF/GA.

If you paid Jones 9+ mil, wouldn't you want him to be elite both defensively and offensively???

Canucks have Hughes, Schmidt and Myers in the worst rated dmen defensively in even strength dmen by WAR, adding Jones who is also on it when playing in defensive minded CBJ team, is even more worrisome.
Adding huge $$$$ cap to that on top? hell no, nty. His defensive stats would take a further dive if he joins the Canucks system where they give up the most odd man rushes, most breakaways, worst neutural zone defense, clown feista d structure lol.