Quote (SlakeMoth @ Aug 14 2018 12:51pm)

It occured to me partway through that I completely forgot to add the "half-assed attempt to support claims with facts that I may or may not have fabricated" stage. Too lazy to put it in there 😕

Quote (Sixers @ 14 Aug 2018 19:56)

At what point did I fabricate my facts?

Don't worry I'll wait

Quote (SlakeMoth @ Aug 14 2018 01:13pm)

It was just an assumption 🤤

I don't even know how many ppl are on a bball team

Quote (Sixers @ Aug 14 2018 01:28pm)

I think 52 or 53.

Quote (Adverb @ Aug 14 2018 01:50pm)

58 before season starts, 73 go into preseason

Quote (Sixers @ Aug 14 2018 10:52am)

Nothing that i"m saying is that unreasonable, and it would be widely agreed with for anyone that actually watched Shaq and watches Embiid today.

Todays NBA game is very much different, we all know that. This is why it's difficult to compare players from different eras.

Quote (VivaciousBamby @ Aug 14 2018 02:48pm)

shaq was way better in his prime...and a prime shaq in todays game would be a guaranteed bucket or trip to the ft line...literally no one could guard him today

Quote (VivaciousBamby @ Aug 14 2018 02:48pm)

shaq was way better in his prime...and a prime shaq in todays game would be a guaranteed bucket or trip to the ft line...literally no one could guard him today

Quote (Sixers @ Aug 14 2018 03:03pm)

Well Embiid isn't even in his prime, so that's a bit hard to judge at this point because we don't know quite how good he will eventually be (he has the ceiling to be an all-time great).

What we can say is that Embiid is a more versatile and well rounded player. Period. As I've said 47 times already, Shaq was a better low post scorer and he dominanted from that area and that was his bread and butter. Embiid is a game changer defensively already just two seasons in, able to not just be arguably the best rim protector in the league but a terrific defender against the perimeter or p&r plays. That's something that Shaq never was, ever. People like shine see the blocks per game from Shaq and think he was some godly defender, disregarding the fact that back then Shaq could get away with just just cementing his feet in the paint because opposing big men couldn't do what they can do today (face up, shoot 3's, take guys off the dribble, run the floor, etc). Spacing wasn't a big thing back then, teams could get away with anchoring the paint like the old school slow footed centers. Shaq was certainly a good 1 on 1 low post defender, but that's about it. If you asked Shaq to defend todays guards and the way teams play today he would get torched defensively, he can't guard the P&R for shit (never could).



Where he would probably build a brick house, because he was one of the worst free throw shooters in NBA history....right around that 50% mark his entire career :rofl: :wallbash:

I mean fuck, the NBA created a rule because of Hack-A-Shaq to help prevent teams from negating Shaq's production, that's how bad it was. Not only that, but the defensive three second rule was implemented so big men like Shaq had to actually move a bit on defense.

Quote (Sixers @ Aug 14 2018 08:10am)

Lmao Shaq played in an era where big men stuck to the paint and generally couldn't shoot. While that worked then, that would never work now. You really want another ass whooping in this argument yet again?

Also, I've already explained why Embiid is a better fit for today's NBA. You have yet to even argue it with any valid points. While Shaq would still eat in the low post on offense (and brick every free throw in the process), Shaq would be a MASSIVE defensive liability in today's space and pace game, and he would never be able to defend today's guards much like he failed to do in the pick & roll game during his era even when guys played a slower pace game back then. He was not a great defender back then, he would be even worse now.

Today's NBA requires big men to do more than ever. Being big and physical as a low post score and a rim protector isn't enough to be great in today's game. This NBA demands a big man that can face up, space the floor, defend multiple positions, defend the pick and roll, and overall have a more versatile skillset than Shaq had. Today's NBA is faster, more athletic and has 7 footers playing like guards. That simply didn't exist back then.

So yes, it's not crazy to say Embiid is a better fit for today's NBA. Considering Embiid is the ideal center for the modern NBA...

Quote (VivaciousBamby @ Aug 14 2018 03:25pm)

also getting the other team in FT trouble is an extremely valuable quality to have

typicly you say things that are farfetched but on this one you are just plain wrong

Quote (oRAnGeInAbOx @ Aug 14 2018 03:25pm)

imo orlando shaq wouldve been able to adapt to all the things you said. lakers/heat shaq played the way he shouldve as the current times went. have u seen orlando shaq??