Thats what disney said but i prefer the star wars legends stuff compared to what we are getting in the disney movies. If jj abrams can make a decent ending to the disney trilogy i will.be amazed after how tlj was.

Anyway idk if you had time to read the star wars legends stuff but god damn that they should have taken the books stuff and just make the trilogy with what they had.under their hands

This post was edited by Nihility on Sep 11 2019 01:33pm

I think we all would be man.

At least the vast majority of us can all agree on TLJ being a massive disappointment. I personally didn't think TFA was anything special, but as an introduction to the updated world of SW, I thought they did a decent enough job. I had decently high hopes after how much I enjoyed both Looper and Brick and couldn't believe how bad they fucked this one up. We'll see what happens, but I'll be tempering expectations as much as possible. Abrams is usually pretty solid, but fixing someone else's fuck-up, is never an easy task.

Indeed tfa was a good introduction. But my main question is how you make the first order look like a "threat" in the two movies they made rey beat up kylo twice and the #1 soldier in the first order get beaten up by finn.

The only way i can see this movie being a success would be with the bad guys winning in the end just like in revenge of the sith. You cant make an happy ending in this trilogy since they already made the first order look like scrubs.

Normally you need to make the bad guys look like a threat that you can believe that they can win. After tfa and tlj i dont feel any threat coming from the first order and i wonder why they didnt make them feel like a threat at all. Im putting the bar low instead of putting it pretty high like i did for tlj (heck after tfa and rogue one i thought they were going in the right direction, how wrong i was lol)

This post was edited by Nihility on Sep 11 2019 02:17pm

Can't have the bad guys win at the conclusion though.... Unless Disney pulls a fast one and decides to make this a four part thing, there's no way it'd happen. I'd love to see any Disney movie that isn't painfully predictable, but that's just not how they do shit. They're already going full pander and bringing back old favorite villains in EVERYTHING to try and boost sales, which is just fucking pathetic. Oh, here's a mediocre movie, how do we get people to come back for the next one? Throw Maul in? Sure. Oh, we fucked up the middle movie, what should we do now? Throw in an old villain who didn't really do much? Sure, that'll work. It's just stupid.

i know man, id really love an ending similar to revenge of the sith in which palpatine gets what he wanted "partially" (anakin under his thumb but massively weakened after his defeat). But like you said, its 99.9% sure that its a classic disney movie ending where the good guys win in dominant fashion.

Heck i remember when lucas almost pulled the trigger on luke turning into vader at the end of the 6th but decided to not do it because star wars was making so much money on merch sales. And he wanted to milk it more

This post was edited by Nihility on Sep 11 2019 02:22pm

new theory out there that Skywalker isn't necessarily a reference to a particular person, but rather the name of a new organization of force-attuned individuals.

We know of the Jedi, the Sith and the Knights of Ren. When Rey met Luke on the island, he acted pretty lukewarm about whether or not the Jedi had the right ideology.

Perhaps Kylo and Rey takes Luke's more moderate approach (admitting people's darkness and not being too rigid on purity) and start a new order together. Both of them were trained by Luke, so it isn't a stretch that they'd call it Skywalker.

This would be incredibly fitting if you consider the names of the third movie in each trilogy. All 3 names would be referencing the Order that ended the story at the top of the hill.

Revenge of the Sith - the trilogy featured Anakin's struggle to choose between the Jedi and the Sith. Ultimately he ended up joining the Sith. At the end of that movie, that Order was in a position of power having taken over the galaxy and claimed victory over the Jedi.

Return of the Jedi - same idea, Luke is being asked to choose a side, at the end of the movie he appears to have deleted the Sith and the Jedi end up in power

Rise of the Skywalker - This time it's Kylo and Rey, both having been trained by Luke and forced to choose which Force philosophy they follow. They create a new order, Skywalker.

Makes a lot of sense and it could be done decently. The whole concept of jedis needing to be perfect always rubbed me the wrong way. Humans are inherently flawed and if your only choice is total obedience with perfect control over your emotions or zero control and allowing your emotions only to overwhelm you to give you an advantage in combat, fuck man, I'll take the Sith every single time.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Sep 16 2019 10:41pm

Tbh it could be a great ending if its executed properly

After thinking it over more, I want to refine my previously stated theory.

Rather than the new Skywalker Order being named for Luke, it's actually named for Anakin. Anakin was a full-fledged member of both the Jedi and the Sith, so he's the perfect candidate to represent this new moderate philosophy. Also, we know that Kylo holds a great reverence for his grandfather. The shots of the room where he keeps Vader's shattered helmet are presented with great importance.

I'm less sold on this part, but I would like to see Rey die in the end. She's no one important in the family lineage. The fact that she was presented as the protagonist in the beginning was just misdirection. If the movie had presented Kylo as the main character from the beginning, it would have felt way to stereotypical and predictable. Leia and Han's son, trained by Luke, the most obvious character to turn into the hero. Instead, they style Kylo's introduction to match Vader's entrance in Ep4. This allows the trilogy to show his transition from Sith to Skywalker, which is consistent with Anakin in the previous trilogies (Prequel Anakin swapped to the Sith. Ep6 Anakin was redeemed). If Rey had been the main character, the only way to give her a force-related transition would be for her to switch to the Sith, which just makes no sense at this point.

Even though Rey dies, her death is for a cause. It's the catalyst that helps Kylo realize the Sith don't have the right idea. It's what pushes him to create the new Skywalker order.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Sep 18 2019 04:39pm

Apparently they are still filming...