Quote (Sous @ Jan 25 2017 01:12am)

I think we all need to take into account sometimes people have lives outside this game and this forum.

We all need to take a moment and respect stuff going on in peoples lives. Scott has things going on, BigTaco removed himself and Letuce left as well.

Life comes first and we have to realize that. This is a leisurely game but sometimes some people take it further than it being that.

I have 2 kids one that was just born a few months ago and one thats 18 months old and an amazing wife. I would never pick this game over them.

Make sure everyone knows where their priorities lie. Just food for thought. :)

Quote (ToughGuy_TJ @ Jan 24 2017 09:29am)

The intention of melee dueling is to actually melee and do physical damage, not elemental damage. The original spirit of the ladder was that people who participated would do so in good faith and have integrity.

The original rules were made understanding that there was no opportunity cost for additional significant elemental damage on a weapon. You didn't have to give anything up to get it, and it could be a significant amount of elemental damage relative to what you could get from other sources, hence why the limit was put on weapons.

There is an opportunity cost with choosing to use elemental damage elsewhere and the cost is severe when taking into consideration what is important to melee and how melee scaling works.

My personal opinion is, go ahead and use elemental damage on charms and in jewel slots, you will be worse than had you used those slots more optimally. But the point is, using elemental damage is against what this ladder is supposed to be about. You new guys just want to manipulate things to gain a competitive advantage and that's all that matters to you.

It's mighty presumptuous to come in here as a new melee member and state how something should have been implemented in a highly successful league that has been running for 10 years before showed up.

I'm certainly not in charge here, and I'm certainly not against the evolution of melee or changing rules if it is necessary to be changed.

Quote (Mainframe @ Jan 25 2017 12:09pm)

I agree what both Tj and Ryan have posted 100% , this is a very old discussion and has never actually been resolved.

The problem is the lack of clarity in the 200 elemental cap , which was originally made for people to be able to use affordable efools with small amount of elemental dmg.
Ive had this conversation with friends and guildies untill my ears bleed , but in the end its pointless because nobody really seems to know if the elemental cap is on total elemental dmg on your entire char or gears alone?
Roll the clock forward to today and it seems pretty much everyone is exploiting this rule to no end.

3/20/20 max sc is a melee charm , hence melee inventory.
Fire/ice/lite/psn sc is a elemental charm not melee.
30/60/9/9 is a melee jewel.
Ed/fire/lite/cold/psn jewel is a elemental jewel not melee.

Having a small amount on your weapon is allowed but using elemental charms and jewels is something you do on purpose , especially fire to gain that small amount of stun to your advantage.
Them cheaper efools with elemental dmg you barely even see today with all the rollers making clean weapons with impunity , so everyone is using a fire sc now cause its not actually written in the rules , same with elemental jewels.

In my humble opinion I think the 200 elemental cap should be clarified , 200 elemental dmg total on your weapon allowed including highlords and ravenfrost?
Add new rule banning any elemental charms and jewels in gears period , lets keep melee as pure as possible.

Dj's original point was based on the fire scs beeing used by pretty much all the new players and I totally agree with him , but I'am old school and back then a single fire sc was considered bm and they were called out in game everytime.
I have wanted to implement this rule for a year now in guild events , but it created such a fuss it wasn't worth the headache.

Use melee gear and melee inventory and jewels , keep it clean and have fun.

B)

Quote (Death_tous_all @ Jan 25 2017 03:19pm)

100% agree , imo newer melee people that have joined or rejoined that were gone more then a yr and restarted in the last yr shouldn't have any say in rule or changes. It's been a unwritten rule since like .7 ele SCS are Bm no matter what they say and same with elemental jewels. And my 4frame druid doesn't use cold scs and I still smash alot of y'all and I'm running a under ball char. Need rules rewritten and some old school ways reapplyed. Just my imo.

Quote (TheDivision @ Jan 25 2017 08:52pm)

Yeah, when I made my zealot, I was told my many people that if we are not exceeding 200 elemental dmg in our full build, it was gm. Lets just keep it like that.

Quote (Death_tous_all @ Jan 25 2017 10:58pm)

in a way yes should be 200 but only as gear based hl raven rando fools with low ele dmg. Perhaps only lee way i can see is a edc build which wouldnt use hl or raven so maybe 1x , But not ele jewels /sc's since it really isnt melee ur adding it for the stun more or less. i mean in that lines i could toss a 150psn sc on to get around 200 for some of my builds viable no but itd be by choice like alot of the scs are which shouldnt be allowed to be used since they are not melee scs lc or gcs. maybe im just old school but invis should be just that torches annis and reg melee charms. i mean back in the day even torches were kicked out since the ctc 25 and 5s and people invi/gear always checked. just depends which rules guilds and such u went by. owell im old school ill always see it as bm ^_^

Quote (ValyrianSteel @ Jan 26 2017 12:27am)

btw is this zerker roll real or fake? can ne1 confirm

http://i.imgur.com/KlM0eHC.jpg