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United Guilds Melee Ladder (US East Non-Ladder)

Ladder Council Members


Ouefnut of Legendary Melee

Jubeii52 of Ω Omega Ω


Appointed Administrative-Assistants


RightBaked of Legendary Melee

Darkstar of Summit


________________________________________________________________________


<Challenge System Please Read Before Issuing New Challenges>

Please Read Before Submitting New Challenges
1) Have fun!! (No rage/drama, negative spam or you will be removed, use the open suggestion thread).
2) If you wish to be added to the ladder, post JSP name/D2 account/Character name - type of character.
3) You are allowed to challenge up to 2 ranks above you until you get to #3 then you must duel everybody to get to #1.
4) You must PM the other party about the challenge, then post the challenge in this thread here.
5) If you Issued the Challenge Must wait 12 hours after Completion of Challenge to Issue another Challenge.
6) If you lose a challenge you must wait 48 hours to re-challenge the same person.
7) 5-Day Dodge rule (AFK, No-reply, No-show = Auto-loss) 2 consecutive Dodges = Removed from ladder.
8) Post all scores of challenges in this topic thread, either one of you can do it.
If you cannot complete your challenge on time it is your responsibility to PM your challenger and inform them. Then post in this thread asking for an extension. If you fail to do this, the dodge rule will be enforced to simply keep the ladder moving.* symbol for 1 dodge applied


<GM Melee Duel Rules>

1) GM Melee rules apply to all duels See page 1 for rules.
2) You may change gear twice during a set and once between each set.
3) A challenge will be best 2/3 sets, first to 6 must win each set by 2 duels.
4) If both players die it is a draw
5) If you cancel your match, you have to wait 12 hours until you can challenge someone else.


Updated Ladder Rankings

01. BAJuicer/BA-Juicer/Fanaticism - Zeal of Sith

02. ValyrianSteel/Valyrian/ValyrianSteel- Zeal of Legendary Melee

03. truonk/iPally/iRush - Zeal of Legendary Melee

04. Darkstar/Dark.star/Dillon - Zeal

05. Rrh_4_life/Jstash5/GetnBread - Zeal

06. Lacapitale/C.o.p.s/Cops - Zeal

07. RightBaked/RightBaked/Simon - Zeal

08. DjOrchard17/DjOrchard17/East down - Zeal

09. bdjhsl/Navy2389/SpecialNavy - Zeal

10. BeOnDoE/?????/Typhon - Zeal

11. Shotass/Lasting/Lasting- Zeal

12. CivicZeus/MasterUniverse/Almanigro- Zeal *

13. BigTaco713/BigTaco713/Putasos - Zeal

14. BigTaco713/BigTaco713/Sicario - Fury

15. pgga/Pablo_Gabriel/Enzito - Conc

16. SpamBam/SpamBam/Bane - Conc

17. Jubeii52/Jubeii52/Corporal - Zeal

Present and Pending Duels


02. ValyrianSteel/Valyrian/ValyrianSteel- Zeal of Legendary Melee♚ -VS- 01. BAJuicer/BA-Juicer/Fanaticism - Zeal of Sith♛ - Oct. 16th
13. BigTaco713/BigTaco713/Putasos - Zeal -VS- 11. Shotass/Lasting/Lasting- Zeal - Oct. 17th
16. SpamBam/SpamBam/Bane - Conc -VS- 14. BigTaco713/BigTaco713/Sicario - Fury - Oct. 18th
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Oct 19 2016 02:22pm
Quote (Jubeii52 @ Oct 19 2016 05:06pm)
3 more days until my zealer brings the pain.
I'll just go ahead and add him at the bottom of the list, will send a challenge in a couple days.

Jubeii52 / Jubeii52 / Corporal - Zeal


I wouldn't mind being challenged.
After all, I set myself to secure the bottom of the ladder when I signed up :rolleyes:
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Quote (pgga @ 19 Oct 2016 16:22)
I wouldn't mind being challenged.
After all, I set myself to secure the bottom of the ladder when I signed up :rolleyes:


I'll take you up on a challenge when I can get d2 access in a couple days. Been away for a couple months, looking to put more blood on my scepter in a mighty way.
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Oct 19 2016 02:42pm
Quote (Jubeii52 @ Oct 19 2016 05:40pm)
I'll take you up on a challenge when I can get d2 access in a couple days. Been away for a couple months, looking to put more blood on my scepter in a mighty way.


Also, if you just want to try stuff out, you can send me a pm. I am generally available during the afternoon/night. My barb is not particularly complicated for most paladins lol
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Oct 19 2016 03:18pm
Challenge 3
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Oct 20 2016 01:58am
Quote (Darkstar @ Oct 19 2016 04:18pm)
Challenge 3


i win

don't remember score.
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United Guilds Melee Ladder (US East Non-Ladder)

Ladder Council Members


Ouefnut of Legendary Melee

Jubeii52 of Ω Omega Ω


Appointed Administrative-Assistants


RightBaked of Legendary Melee

Darkstar of Summit


________________________________________________________________________


<Challenge System Please Read Before Issuing New Challenges>

Please Read Before Submitting New Challenges
1) Have fun!! (No rage/drama, negative spam or you will be removed, use the open suggestion thread).
2) If you wish to be added to the ladder, post JSP name/D2 account/Character name - type of character.
3) You are allowed to challenge up to 2 ranks above you until you get to #3 then you must duel everybody to get to #1.
4) You must PM the other party about the challenge, then post the challenge in this thread here.
5) If you Issued the Challenge Must wait 12 hours after Completion of Challenge to Issue another Challenge.
6) If you lose a challenge you must wait 48 hours to re-challenge the same person.
7) 5-Day Dodge rule (AFK, No-reply, No-show = Auto-loss) 2 consecutive Dodges = Removed from ladder.
8) Post all scores of challenges in this topic thread, either one of you can do it.
If you cannot complete your challenge on time it is your responsibility to PM your challenger and inform them. Then post in this thread asking for an extension. If you fail to do this, the dodge rule will be enforced to simply keep the ladder moving.* symbol for 1 dodge applied


<GM Melee Duel Rules>

1) GM Melee rules apply to all duels See page 1 for rules.
2) You may change gear twice during a set and once between each set.
3) A challenge will be best 2/3 sets, first to 6 must win each set by 2 duels.
4) If both players die it is a draw
5) If you cancel your match, you have to wait 12 hours until you can challenge someone else.


Updated Ladder Rankings

01. BAJuicer/BA-Juicer/Fanaticism - Zeal of Sith

02. ValyrianSteel/Valyrian/ValyrianSteel- Zeal of Legendary Melee

03. truonk/iPally/iRush - Zeal of Legendary Melee

04. Darkstar/Dark.star/Dillon - Zeal

05. Lacapitale/C.o.p.s/Cops - Zeal

06. RightBaked/RightBaked/Simon - Zeal

07. DjOrchard17/DjOrchard17/East down - Zeal

08. bdjhsl/Navy2389/SpecialNavy - Zeal

09. BeOnDoE/?????/Typhon - Zeal

10. Shotass/Lasting/Lasting- Zeal

11. CivicZeus/MasterUniverse/Almanigro- Zeal *

12. BigTaco713/BigTaco713/Putasos - Zeal

13. BigTaco713/BigTaco713/Sicario - Fury

14. pgga/Pablo_Gabriel/Enzito - Conc

15. SpamBam/SpamBam/Bane - Conc

16. Jubeii52/Jubeii52/Corporal - Zeal

Present and Pending Duels


02. ValyrianSteel/Valyrian/ValyrianSteel- Zeal of Legendary Melee♚ -VS- 01. BAJuicer/BA-Juicer/Fanaticism - Zeal of Sith♛ - Oct. 16th
13. BigTaco713/BigTaco713/Putasos - Zeal -VS- 11. Shotass/Lasting/Lasting- Zeal - Oct. 17th
16. SpamBam/SpamBam/Bane - Conc -VS- 14. BigTaco713/BigTaco713/Sicario - Fury - Oct. 18th
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Quote (Matao @ Aug 29 2010 09:15am)
Faster Hit Recovery
this is probably the least understood aspect of zeal , and yet it is very important

when a hit takes away 1/12th or more of your total life , you go into a recovery phase
the length of this phase is determined by your fhr , and is measured in frames , and has its own animation , which is easy to see
while in the recovery phase , a player cannot attack or block

zeal is uninterruptable , and many people seem unaware that while their zealot is swinging away on their computer screen , on the servers side , its in a recovery animation , and is neither attacking , nor blocking

the fastest attack speed for zeal is 8/4/4/4/4 ( which is 8 frames for the 1st swing , then 4 frames for each of the next 4 swings )
at 200 fhr , the recovery phase lasts 3 frames , and a zealot is ready for action on the 4th frame , just in time for the next zeal attack ( the fhr tables are a list of the time you're in the recovery phase )
however , at less than 200 fhr , the recovery phase is 4 frames or longer
meaning that , if your zealot gets hit , and loses 1/12th life or more , he will lose his block for the next zeal swing
if you have less than 15 fhr , the recovery phase lasts 8 frames or more , and leaves you without block for the next 2 zeal swings

lets look at how this affects the chance to hit , at 15 - 199 fhr
22.5k ar edc vs 42.5k def is basically a 40% chance to hit
with 75% block , this is an actual 10% chance to hit ( 1 strike per 10 zeals )
with no fhr hits , this is 100 strikes per 1000 zeals

the chance to block the next swing after being fhr hit is 40% ( chance to hit with no block )
with every hit a fhr hit , the chance to hit is 10% for 1st strikes , and 40 % for double hits ( 2 hits in a row )
this means 4 hits in 10 will result in a " double hit "
so every 1000 zeals , u will be hit 100 + 40 = 140 times

no fhr hits = 10%
all fhr hits = 14%

this is a huge differnce in the chance to strike
at less than 15 fhr , it gets even worse , as u are in the recovery phase for 8+ frames , and the next two zeal attacks will be at 40% chance to strike a( giving 2 x 40% chances that you will be hit , and put into the recovery phase for 8 more frames )

the effects of being fhr hit are subtle , as the time frame ( 4/25 frames = .16 seconds ) is very small , and easy to miss
when you are getting fhr hit , you are getting " double hit " more often , and you even get triple hit ( 3 strikes in a row )
once you start looking for this , you will start to see it more and more often

the fhr hit ( losing 1/12th or more life from a strike ) answears the 2 most common questions newer zealers have

#1) why does my mass ar fools angelics build not hit as often as it should ?
#2) how can a hilords edz 15k ar setup hit so much ?
this has led many zealers to say " ar is a myth "

the answears are clear
using a fools + angelics setup , while giving alot of ar , generally lowers your damage ( thru lack of ds mainly ) and especially your minimum damage , such that most hits dont take 1/12 life
therefore , when compared to a standerd edc vis rends setup , it will seem as if the fools setup hardly hits more at all , and for alot less damage

while using a 100 ds , eth death hilords gores 80-30 vis 40-15 ss setup , every single hit cuase's fhr becuase the min damage is so large
its a well known aspect of this build , that it double hits , and triple hits , alot
so it altho its initial chance to strike is less , once it does strike , its more likely to hit again and again
since this is such a huge damage setup , 2 or 3 hits are all thats often needed to win

damage is taken at 1/6 in pvp , and with 50 dr , this is reduced to 1/12
and 1/12 is the threshold for a fhr hit
if u want to 100% fhr hit , u need your minimum damage to match or be more than your opponents life

the more life you have , the more damage your opponent needs to deal , in order to fhr hit you
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Quote (ValyrianSteel @ Oct 20 2016 06:35am)
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So what this means is 3 frame for breakpoint will allow fast enough recovery to block consecutive zeals, and if your on screen minimum damage is equal to your opponents life you will put them into recovery every time you hit them?

Or would matching the 8/4/4/4 work with 4 frames because you would be recovered exactly in time to block the next hit?

This post was edited by SpamBam on Oct 20 2016 07:25am
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Quote (ValyrianSteel @ Oct 20 2016 07:35am)
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Very nice Bryan! That explains some of the things I see on the receiving end lol
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