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Quote (Avenged321 @ Jan 14 2020 03:54pm)
I was gonna type out something long, but I don’t play anymore so it doesn’t matter.


Kinda sad for someone who doesn't play anymore to be so invested into the low level DUELING forum...
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Kinda sad for someone who doesn't play anymore to be so invested into the low level DUELING forum...



More ppl like me here than you, and that says a lot considering the fact that only 2 ppl like me 🤣🤣🤣
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Just sad... go troll the religion section like a the rest of the attention whores
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Just sad... go troll the religion section like a the rest of the attention whores



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Jan 14 2020 11:50pm
Stay on topic folks. Been some good discussion here
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Quote (spark_peka @ Jan 15 2020 12:46am)
Wow... someone finally propose something that makes a difference to 18 duels and balancing Bow out

I really like those:
• Clay golem may be used if an opposing team has a zon or a charger
of course ama will need to aim target not blindly shoot and hit
No glitched Treads of Cthon boots,
+100FRW limitation
recalls me one of the last tours where everyone bugged whole FRW on bowas :D
Druid
Max 40 life rep (exception to general life rep rule)
interesting - maybe more druids would join the tour. 40 rep sounds crazy but I like it :D
I hear opposing voices but I would suggest that 40rep is optional and requires aggressive play from the one who has that much of rep (highlight def whoring rule)

I would very much appreciate any handicap for 18 FB as I have one myself but 18lvl FB sorc is just tough (TvT, not that much 1on1).

I guess Measure of your success is ratio Bow:other clases joining the tour :)


Yeah, a frw cap may mean that paladins will skill vigor to help their teams chase and then switch to might for aura support.

A +3 vigor swap weapon + a steelclash can boost your teams faster run/walk by 25% without any hard points.

This post was edited by lld_mayhem on Jan 15 2020 01:44am
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Tell me which characters will exceed 100frw as it is? If you have a frw cap at 18, then 100 is too high because maybe 1 or 2 builds would ever attempt to go near it.

(I dont advocate a cap)

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Tell me which characters will exceed 100frw as it is? If you have a frw cap at 18, then 100 is too high because maybe 1 or 2 builds would ever attempt to go near it.

(I dont advocate a cap)


It was a general point to spark discussion. But a solution to the zon problem in tvt could be to simply slow them down with a class specific frw cap. Im not sure on the exact cut off, but reducing speed is an easy cham swap out from their usual tourney set up.

Zons would still hit hard, but they would be slower and a bit tankier. But overall, they would get hit more often than they would in standard 1v1 play.
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Quote (LaochraGael @ Jan 14 2020 05:35pm)
My opinion regarding rules is summed up as follows:

Rules for pub games should be considered as guidelines rather than requirements. The only rule needed for pubs is dont be a dick. If you have people still willing to abuse certain things and go nuts tryharding in pub games ha, well they have confidence issues perhaps. Want to try a hyb flail on a mauler? Go for it in a pub game! Amp on a nec? Sure why not! If the teams are lopsided because of it stop using amp! Thats how pubs on europe have always been in my experience. Things like bo, amp, etc all either get used or dont depending on how evenly matched the teams are and how fun the rounds are.

Rules for tournaments - do not make a bible in order to try to make every char competitive. That does not need to be the case. Every char does not need to have a chance vs every other char. Nothing wrong with rock paper scissors. If there is something completely broken and easily fixed (cthons) fix it! Sure! Is there 1 or two builds that are far stronger than the rest? Sure, try to fix that! Do I want to make fairly sweeping changes to make 1 fringe char competitive? No. Someone likes playing phsins so wants them buffed, ok. What about the person who likes playing as a rabies druid or plague zon. Do we ban deaths vs them? Lightning zons and cs zons suck - do we ban light res vs them? Extreme examples I know. Top tier, mid tier and shit tier exist and there is nothing wrong with that. Have fun with the mid and shit tier in pubs and leave mid and top tier for tours.



I dont know about that. Take a bowa - you then cant have more than 20 single res on any jewel, circ, rings or amulet. I'd say pretty much every bowa made on europe would either need to remake to remove anya or else look for sweeping gear changes again.


The problem i have with all these tvt rule discussions is this line right here. This has worked for 10 years+ without any problems what so ever, and that was back when it was really active. How often do we have tvts nowadays? And is it really neccessary to implement new rules for those rare occations when we have pub tvts instead of just going with common sense and mixing things up when neccessary like we have always done?

There will never be a tvt tour ever again, it didn't even work when it was active so a tvt rule bible is imo not at all needed. It will just discourage new people to come in and try and have fun.

And tbh i won't ever change my character to fit tvt rules since all my chars are built for 1v1, it's just not worth the time for the amount of tvts that will be played.

Just remove cthons on bow and limit paladin to 1 might or something since that will need to be applied to 1v1 rules as well to balance. The rest, like 40 lrep on fissure, is just something that doesn't need a rule. If some1 wants to try it in a pub tvt 99% of the players won't mind.

And any talk about hybrids to balance chars or level some chars to 24 or w/e is on the same level of bonerkiller as when they allowed some chars to lvl to 59 in mld, a whole new level of horrible ideas. Just scrap that idea and play with the mid - high tier chars that already exist, and the lower tier ones still have a place in pub tvts without any rule changes.

My final oppinion on it.

This post was edited by Skullflower on Jan 15 2020 04:18am
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Quote (Skullflower @ Jan 15 2020 11:16am)
The problem i have with all these tvt rule discussions is this line right here. This has worked for 10 years+ without any problems what so ever, and that was back when it was really active. How often do we have tvts nowadays? And is it really neccessary to implement new rules for those rare occations when we have pub tvts instead of just going with common sense and mixing things up when neccessary like we have always done?

There will never be a tvt tour ever again, it didn't even work when it was active so a tvt rule bible is imo not at all needed. It will just discourage new people to come in and try and have fun.

And tbh i won't ever change my character to fit tvt rules since all my chars are built for 1v1, it's just not worth the time for the amount of tvts that will be played.

Just remove cthons on bow and limit paladin to 1 might or something since that will need to be applied to 1v1 rules as well to balance. The rest, like 40 lrep on fissure, is just something that doesn't need a rule. If some1 wants to try it in a pub tvt 99% of the players won't mind.

And any talk about hybrids to balance chars or level some chars to 24 or w/e is on the same level of bonerkiller as when they allowed some chars to lvl to 59 in mld, a whole new level of horrible ideas. Just scrap that idea and play with the mid - high tier chars that already exist, and the lower tier ones still have a place in pub tvts without any rule changes.

My final oppinion on it.


There have been like 5-10 2v2s and some 3v3s on euro since christmas. Most of the players involved were from east. If the euro players come back, the bracket can be fairly active again.

Dropping zon frw and no aura charge is a very easy change to help level the field.
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