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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 12 2021 06:47pm)
Is there a verdict coming?


No, there was another police shooting. See:

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https://i.imgur.com/W8sQ0Wq.jpg

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 12 2021 06:47pm)
Is there a verdict coming?


No

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Fucking BCPD officer "MiStOoK hEr SiDeArM fOr a TaSeR".

Bodycam footage at this link.

https://cbsloc.al/3ghtPuX


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Apr 12 2021 06:03pm
Quote (Djunior @ Apr 12 2021 01:57pm)
Why do you fail to mention the cops followed the correct procedure but the suspect jumped back into his car with the clear intention to flee?

And that the cop wanted to taser but because of the chaotic situation (created by the suspect) fired her gun instead?


Fleeing in a vehicle doesn't justify the use of deadly force.. unless they are using that vehicle as a deadly force.

It doesn't sound right, but there is a fine line there

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Apr 12 2021 06:14pm
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It would be a bad mistake I agree but it had not happened had the suspect not resisted arrest right.

They were going to bring him in cuz the dude had an outstanding warrant and the cops followed procedure.


I haven't seen the video so I don't want to make any other judgements at this time. It is still would have to be such an overwhelming situation where there was real fear of the suspect IMO. Maybe my mind will change after viewing th video. However I was not at all ok with police shooting a man with a bat when they could of tased him instead.
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Apr 12 2021 06:24pm
A car is a deadly weapon, if you are too stupid to know that.
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Quote (Theology @ 12 Apr 2021 17:14)
I haven't seen the video so I don't want to make any other judgements at this time. It is still would have to be such an overwhelming situation where there was real fear of the suspect IMO. Maybe my mind will change after viewing th video. However I was not at all ok with police shooting a man with a bat when they could of tased him instead.


I support your initial statement. She was holding the pistol out in front of her. Even if she was focused on the suspect, she should have noticed the lack of color. Their tasers have very visible yellow.

I watched the shoulder cam footage. This was not some "racist white guy shooting an innocent black man" incident. Wright was pulled over for having expired tags. When they ran his license, they saw an outstanding warrant for a weapons charge. Wright resisted arrest and attempted to flee. Does that justify shooting him? No, standard procedure would be to call backup, set roadblocks, and catch him without weapons fire. Tasers are classed as a lethal weapon. There was no call for lethal force. The officer was in the wrong for using her sidearm, regardless of whether it was a taser or a pistol. However, there's no validity in claims of "air fresheners". That's not why Wright was pulled over.

Officer certainly deserves to be fired. Honestly, a manslaughter charge minimum should be easily attainable as well, and potentially a murder 3, as discharging even a taser in a scenario where lethal force is not called for is arguably knowingly causing harm without intent of causing death that led to death. The only real defense I see for the officer is that the warrant was in regards to a weapons charge, which might have added an "armed and dangerous" aspect. But I don't think so. This officer just fucked up, and in a bad way.

On the flipside, had Wright been white, under the same exact circumstance, he still would have gotten shot, the only difference being nobody would care, it wouldn't gain international news coverage, and most people would have simply said, "Pulled over for committing a crime, had an outstanding warrant, resisted arrest, got shot. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, good riddance."
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I support your initial statement. She was holding the pistol out in front of her. Even if she was focused on the suspect, she should have noticed the lack of color. Their tasers have very visible yellow.

I watched the shoulder cam footage. This was not some "racist white guy shooting an innocent black man" incident. Wright was pulled over for having expired tags. When they ran his license, they saw an outstanding warrant for a weapons charge. Wright resisted arrest and attempted to flee. Does that justify shooting him? No, standard procedure would be to call backup, set roadblocks, and catch him without weapons fire. Tasers are classed as a lethal weapon. There was no call for lethal force. The officer was in the wrong for using her sidearm, regardless of whether it was a taser or a pistol. However, there's no validity in claims of "air fresheners". That's not why Wright was pulled over.

Officer certainly deserves to be fired. Honestly, a manslaughter charge minimum should be easily attainable as well, and potentially a murder 3, as discharging even a taser in a scenario where lethal force is not called for is arguably knowingly causing harm without intent of causing death that led to death. The only real defense I see for the officer is that the warrant was in regards to a weapons charge, which might have added an "armed and dangerous" aspect. But I don't think so. This officer just fucked up, and in a bad way.

On the flipside, had Wright been white, under the same exact circumstance, he still would have gotten shot, the only difference being nobody would care, it wouldn't gain international news coverage, and most people would have simply said, "Pulled over for committing a crime, had an outstanding warrant, resisted arrest, got shot. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, good riddance."


Yea I agree manslaughter at the very minimum. If that is indeed what went down. ( Still have not watched the bodycam) These police are doing janky shit at the wrong time in this country. Police reform is coming. Use of deadly force procedures are going to be under extreme scrutiny. The people have honestly had enough. Even if the dude was white I would still care. I do understand where you are coming from where I bolded your words. People have this overal mentality that running from the police or any other kind of passive/active resistance even when not deadly police can just kill the person. This is not the wild west anymore. We live in 2021 this kind of behavior should have been weeded out over the last even 100 years. It really os despicable


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A car is a deadly weapon, if you are too stupid to know that.


I there has to be deadly intent before you can consider it a deadly weapon. My steak knife or even table fork is a deadly weapon if there is deadly intent behind them. You watch the Chauvin Trial? The expert today put it pretty clear with his analogy with the guy and the crow bar.

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Yea I agree manslaughter at the very minimum. If that is indeed what went down. ( Still have not watched the bodycam) These police are doing janky shit at the wrong time in this country. Police reform is coming. Use of deadly force procedures are going to be under extreme scrutiny. The people have honestly had enough. Even if the dude was white I would still care. I do understand where you are coming from where I bolded your words. People have this overal mentality that running from the police or any other kind of passive/active resistance even when not deadly police can just kill the person. This is not the wild west anymore. We live in 2021 this kind of behavior should have been weeded out over the last even 100 years. It really os despicable


I agree with you, though I disagree that you'd care had it been a white person, because you don't care about what you don't know about. If it's not reported, how do you know it happened? Did you care about the unarmed white man who was shot in Utah the same day Michael Brown died? At a guess, I suspect you never heard about it. Hard to care about that which you don't know.

Regarding this specific case, I tend to think this particular police officer escalated in a way that was completely unnecessary. The other two officers did not appear to have weapons drawn, the suspect did not "fight" the police. Merely slipped free and tried to get back in the car to escape. This particular case does appear to be an officer who resorted to excessive force as a first resort, rather than a last resort. Again, they could have simply allowed him to go, and followed him to wherever he went, called in other cruisers to help block him in, etc. Her actions made no sense. Hell, if she hadn't been shouting "taser", the officer attempting to restrain Wright may well have been able to pull him back out of the vehicle and cuff him.

Far from helping the situation, she escalated it, prevented the officer who was attempting to use appropriate force to restrain from doing his job, and killed a man who'd done nothing to justify such a use of force at all.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 12 2021 07:46pm)
I agree with you, though I disagree that you'd care had it been a white person, because you don't care about what you don't know about. If it's not reported, how do you know it happened? Did you care about the unarmed white man who was shot in Utah the same day Michael Brown died? At a guess, I suspect you never heard about it. Hard to care about that which you don't know.

Regarding this specific case, I tend to think this particular police officer escalated in a way that was completely unnecessary. The other two officers did not appear to have weapons drawn, the suspect did not "fight" the police. Merely slipped free and tried to get back in the car to escape. This particular case does appear to be an officer who resorted to excessive force as a first resort, rather than a last resort. Again, they could have simply allowed him to go, and followed him to wherever he went, called in other cruisers to help block him in, etc. Her actions made no sense. Hell, if she hadn't been shouting "taser", the officer attempting to restrain Wright may well have been able to pull him back out of the vehicle and cuff him.

Far from helping the situation, she escalated it, prevented the officer who was attempting to use appropriate force to restrain from doing his job, and killed a man who'd done nothing to justify such a use of force at all.


Just because I dont see it on the news does not mean I do not see a lot. I do not lean on public media for all my news. I care about any person that falls victim to police misconduct of any form. I personally try not to see a persons skin color. I do my best to see everyone as they are a human. With in that it is a case by case basis on the individual on if I choose to have interactions with someone. I take race out of the equation tho.

This post was edited by Theology on Apr 12 2021 08:06pm
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Quote (Theology @ Apr 12 2021 09:37pm)
I there has to be deadly intent before you can consider it a deadly weapon. My steak knife or even table fork is a deadly weapon if there is deadly intent behind them. You watch the Chauvin Trial? The expert today put it pretty clear with his analogy with the guy and the crow bar.


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