Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 16 2019 09:23am)

so its emerged that not only was Eric Ciaramella former NSC director for Ukraine turned CIA officer, but he traveled with Joe Biden on his trip to Ukraine as VP, and was directly involved in the correspondence Joe Biden had with the Ukrainians to hold up the foreign aid until Shokin got fired. And not only that, but Eric Ciaramella had been entangled with right-wing blogger (Cernovich) back in 2017 who accused him of being a leaker to advance a pro-Ukraine / anti-Russia agenda, which was the reason he stepped down from his NSC post citing 'harassment' and 'death threats' from Trump supporters.
http://archive.is/S3Ckp
if that guy isn't the whistleblower, then its incredible that there could exist another person with giant red arrows pointed at him like that
and if he is the whistleblower, it lends credence to the accusations he was the leaker in 2017;


so you've got a guy who had a close professional link to Biden, was intimately involved with Ukraine and held a hardcore pro-euromaidan agenda and was in a CIA white house position where he could listen in on Trump's phone calls. And as if he didn't already have a political bias to begin with, he's got every reason to be politically compromised and hate Trump enough to break the rules due to his perceived victimization. And you've got a whistleblower's who has already been 'confirmed' to have a close professional link to Biden, be conspicuously familiar with Ukrainian politics and hold a pro-euromaidan viewpoint and be a CIA officer and have conspicuous familiarity with Trump's phone calls in a way consistent with him previously having access to them until the white house started locking down with anti-leak measures, which the whistleblower cried foul about. And the whistleblower is confirmed to have broken the rules and acted with a political motive, and supports Biden. And the guy is also somehow known to news outlets who seem to have had no trouble figuring out who he was and confirm details about him, but won't publish them.


How could this not be the guy?

Quote (Skinned @ 16 Oct 2019 21:23)

Why was Trump talking to Lavrov? That is dangerous in itself. Lavrov is a beast. Trump should be kept away from him.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 16 2019 03:13pm)

Lol... alright, I'm gonna say it:

"rigged witch hunt"

Neither his voters nor a sizable number of Republican Senators is gonna break with him over an impeachment process which began with such a hyperpartisan premise.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 14 2019 01:50pm)

Yeah no. Trump was the biggest deterrent to college educated voters in modern history. Also, I doubt many African Americans would have changed sides. They always go strongly Dem. Bernie also had plenty of pictures of him getting arrested marching during the civil rights movement to trot out.

Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 17 2019 12:02pm)

Almost everyone I know falls into the "college educated voter" category, and the vast majority of them 1) Hate Trump, and 2) Hate Bernie.

Hard to say what they'd do if they had to choose, but they're mostly appalled by Bernie's avowed support for South American left wing dictatorships.

I would be careful about allowing your personal biases effect what college educated (especially older) voters prefer. They're paid well, they don't want some wacko commie coming in to fuck it all up.

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 17 2019 10:21am)

2020 Bernie seems better than 2016 Bernie. 2016 bernie was warren, unable to talk tax hikes for his plans. 2020 bernie still can't pay for 50% of what he's promising, but at least acknowledges there will be a tax hike on all to make it 50% happen.

that said i dont think most people can get around the medicare for all requirement to kick people off insurance. that's a hurdle Bernie cant clear, especially if someone asks "so you acknowledge that this would fail if we didnt force everyone on it".

Quote (thundercock @ Oct 17 2019 12:55pm)

Interesting. I feel like 2020 Bernie is nearly identical to 2016 which is why he's struggling so much. He's made almost no effort to form a Democratic coalition whereas Warren has. There's a reason she's mopping the floor with him.