again, what are you even saying.
who is "guys"? you are just spouting things without any information or knowledge of the subject.

Not sure why conservatives were so upset by that interview. Comey was mostly right through the whole thing, and made the important point that no top-down conspiracy to frame Trump was discovered. In fact, Wallace even said Comey should've been overseeing the whole investigation more closely.

The cult narrative fell apart. There was wrongdoing, but it wasn't because of political bias, and it wasn't some conspiracy. Hanlon's razor is vindicated yet again.

It's kind of hilarious that you guys actually expected all of these people to be locked up. Maybe it would be healthier to stop wishing that people you dislike are thrown in jail.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 19 2019 12:45pm

there was evidence of political bias throughout the investigation by people involved. documentary and consequential by the bucket loads.

there was not evidence of political bias in the "opening" of Crossfire-Hurricane. that is because "1" person is included in the "opening". (Bill Priestap)
that is separated from everyone else involved in the investigation. everyone linked to the FISC, is not in any way vindicated and should be held accountable. (stated by Horowitz, also listed below)

do yourself a favour and quit watching CNN for a minute and listen to what Horowitz actually says.
i'll point you to it. you are looking for the bold. (which i already posted on the previous page)(watch the others too)


separation of the "opening" of Crossfire-Hurricane (1 person Bill Priestap) and "EVERY ONE" else.
+evidence of political bias
22:28-23:05
24:20-24:51

accountability
20:35-20:54

motivation uncertain
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bias found during investigation
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accountability of management and supervisors
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55:57-56:10

disagreement with AG Barr
1:39:23-1:39:39

This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Dec 19 2019 04:01pm

The cult narrative was that the top echelons of the FBI and DOJ manufactured this investigation in order to bring down candidate Trump and/or president Trump. The IG report showed the contrary... that Comey was out of the loop, that these individual actors who made mistakes were not found to have made them because of political bias.

I never argued, and neither did Comey in this interview, that everybody involved in the FISA process were vindicated. Quite the contrary... he said he was wrong and the IG was right. There was wrongdoing.

I get it... it's hard to abandon a narrative you've believed for years. A lot of liberals still think Trump conspired with Russia. At some point you need to face reality.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 20 2019 07:40am

where did the IG report show the contrary? if you want to compare sections of reports to each other, i'm with you and can keep it a debate.
right now, you're just spouting what is said on MSNBC without any evidence to even back it up. you are just assuming what the report says.

i am linking material straight from Horowitz's mouth when using video. not people who are making assumptions about the report as a whole because of reading 1 sentence.

I'm not going through a 400+ page IG report and pasting paragraphs. If you think the IG report shows a top down conspiracy, feel free to post the evidence here. It doesn't show that whatsoever. It shows the FBI opened the investigation with a proper predicate and that they made several omissions with the Carter Page FISA(the most damning omissions being with the renewals). It also shows that they found no evidence political bias affected these moves made in the investigation. That is a separate question from whether they found agents expressed political opinions.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 20 2019 09:05am

Comey clearly said that the FBI was vindicated, which is obviously not the case.

The IG report couldn't conclude that there was political bias, they had to leave it at "the answers we got did match the reality uncovered".

Barr's review will be interesting.

you don't have to bother reading the report, but don't pretend you have an actual idea of what happened when you can't bother looking through the facts.

what you have said in this statement is completely false and ignorant of the terminology used.

all of these statements are addressed just from the video of the second Horowitz testimonial hearing. i even pointed out where for you.
you refusing to watch or read anything, only shows you have nothing to add to this conversation.

you don't have to care, but don't pretend you "know" when you refuse to bother learning. again, i have linked testimony straight from Horowitz that proves what you say to be false.
can you counter Horowitz with MSNBC? you can keep trying

Trump, his chronies, and the news network half the country watches has been claiming for years that the Russia investigation was a manufactured coup attempt. That's the bar they set. Comey is right when he says the FBI has been vindicated.

Funnily enough, this is how Trump's misbehavior regarding Russiagate got nowhere with the voters. People hyped up the possibilities to such a high bar that his attempted obstruction and lies about Russia-related contacts didn't end up mattering to people. The same applies here. The cult cried wolf too many times.



So you're saying I'm incorrect that the FBI made omissions with the Carter Page FISA? Clearly you didn't read the IG report.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 20 2019 03:02pm