Quote (IceMage @ Dec 25 2019 05:41pm)
I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to argue. I say "this wasn't a top-down conspiracy from Comey and Obama DOJ" and you respond by copying and pasting things that don't contradict my argument. I never argued that Steele's reports weren't used in the FISA... or that Bruce Ohr didn't keep contact with Steele... or that the DNC/Hillary campaign didn't pay for the dossier.
Here's some more inconvenient facts: Page was some irrelevant adviser with no access when he was on the campaign, Page left the campaign before he was ever surveilled, and Page had previously been surveilled in 2013 or 2014 for talking to Russian spies. The investigation didn't even start with Page.
It's time to accept reality man.
you have said much more than just what you quoted. you have made mostly false or narrated facts. everything else, is just misinformed opinion because you refuse to read the facts and just ask twitter what they think.
i.e. of narrated: you put a lot of emphasis on "Obama DoJ" running Clinton investigation. but, seemingly they play no role in the Trump campaign investigation. (although Clinton had her investigations buried by McCabe and Comey)
once again... the OIG's report says different about Page. it's your media twisting the first part of this paragraph, ignoring the second half.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdfQuote
In this chapter, we examine the FBI's use of Confidential Human Sources
(CHSs) other than Steele and its use of Undercover Employees (UCEs) in the
Crossfire Hurricane investigation to determine whether the FBI had placed any
CHSs within the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign or tasked any CHSs to
report on the Trump campaign. We found no evidence that the FBI placed any
CHSs or UCEs within the Trump campaign or tasked any CHSs or UCEs to report on
the Trump campaign. However, we found that the Crossfire Hurricane team did
task several CHSs and UCEs during the 2016 presidential campaign, which resulted
in interactions with Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, and a high-level Trump
campaign official who was not a subject of the investigation. All of the CHS
interactions were consensually monitored by the FBI. We found that the Crossfire
Hurricane team tasked CHSs to interact with Page and Papadopoulos both during
the time Page and Papadopoulos were advisors to the Trump campaign, and after
Page and Papadopoulos were no longer affiliated with the Trump campaign.
let's read this again too..
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 11 2019 12:31pm)
https://dailycaller.com/2018/04/16/michael-cohen-prague-meeting/Not a specific denial, just a general statement about inaccurate stories.
Durham's statement isn't just a denial of what he claims to be an inaccurate media story... it's undercutting the claims of the IG, and also implicitly making accusations of wrongdoing without providing any evidence.
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Dec 11 2019 12:36pm)
how is he undercutting the IG?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/statement-us-attorney-john-h-durhamQuote
Statement of U.S. Attorney John H. Durham
“I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff. However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.”
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 11 2019 12:41pm)
Horowitz testified that Durham showed him no evidence that disputed the report's findings.
inconvenient facts: the Steele Dossier was the central piece of evidence used to open Crossfire-Hurricane. Comey and his FBI teams knew the evidence to be false, verified the evidence to be false, and continued using it as the essential supporting piece of evidence needed to keep the investigation open.
Carter Page was a source for the CIA from 2009-2013(maybe longer, maybe still...) in which he was investigating Russian Nationals. We didn't and wouldn't have known about this, until the FBI's alteration of an e-mail the CIA sent the FBI, when gathering evidence to open a FISC application.
the CIA's email said Carter Page "was" a source at that time. the FBI changed it too, "not" a source.
So, unless the FBI pulled out something that you know of in 2014 that is criminalizing to Page, i doubt it ever was. (even if.. everything above remains true)