we should get both trump and biden under oath and ask them both if they have ever threatened to withhold funds from ukraine if they didn't something that they wanted.
since biden is already on video saying he has i'm sure he would have no problem admitting to blackmail again under oath

i see my deranged little poodle has one of his fan fic episodes again...



should have inb4'd the inevitable obama whataboutism, the false equivalence between a comment (to medvedev btw, get your facts straight) concerning political room for negotiations to find common ground on contentious military question in an effort to ease tensions between the nations, and the withholding of funds to pressure a foreign leader into digging up dirt on a domestic political opponent for personal gain.

on the one hand we have somebody acknowledging political realities while trying to further international cooperation, on the other hand we have someone withholding aid in order to pressure a foreign leader into helping him with his campaign. but hey, that's basically the same, right? fox news says so. never change, trumpapologist...

This is exhausting..... like trying to teach someone a subject they're not smart enough to grasp.

"withholding of funds to pressure a foreign leader into digging up dirt on a domestic political opponent for personal gain." - Please prove

" withholding aid in order to pressure a foreign leader into helping him with his campaign" - Please prove

Again.... This is all up to interpretation.

No one here knows what Obama meant when he said he'll have more flexibility. You've expressed your (obviously biased) interpretation.

No one here knows what Trump meant during that phone call. You've expressed your (obviously biased) interpretation. That's the connection you failed to comprehend. It's not Whataboutism - it's a rational point you ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Yet.... that's all we have. Interpretation and innuendo. I'm not sure what they consider proof in Germany, but it's must be drastically different than what we do here in the US.

That's all for now.

you 'accidentally' left out that Obama specifically said he needed an ease of tensions for the election.

funny how you can't answer a simple question if it was wrong when Obama did something similar. no no, instead you shift the goal posts to equivalence as if anyone said they're the exact same.


"nothing to see here guys, Obama was just easin' the tension baby. the fact that he specifically said it was related to his elections doesnt matter"




they are equivalent in one aspect, no quid pro quo. neither is impeachable. both are ethically uncool.




i believe in Germany when a man stands at a podium and is animated enough people will do just about anything.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Sep 25 2019 01:59pm

The president of Ukraine talks exactly like Donald Trump. Who would ever have thought?

part of me wonders if it's personality mirroring (i'm sure a LOT of people talk like Trump to Trump to get on his good side) or just a shared lack of grasp on the english language.

Trump replies to "the greatest single witch hunt in history" using it as a good excuse to slam some reporters looks like he loves it

tmw you have to act like the most gullible and daft person in history to pretend your emperor did nothing wrong. "what could those words mean in that particular context? i guess we will never know, could be anything really - after all we can't read minds, right?" very 'intelligent'...

also, trump withholding those funds prior to his phone call is a matter of public record, i'm not going to google basic facts for you, political flat earther...



i am fully convinced that the overwhelming majority of world leaders talk to him in a similar fashion, given how susceptible he is to flattery, and how fragile his ego is. they are obviously in the inferior negotiating position, so they'd be stupid not to, therefore i can't really blame them...

This is basically what this all boils down to. This all gets back to Trump's upset win of the election. He beat the media's and the elite's darling, their chosen horse, and then metaphorically gave them the finger when he called them out for their bias and propagandist nature. Nothing is ever going to satisfy the Democrats, their followers, and the media except full-on impeachment at whatever cost. They're just throwing whatever they can to see what sticks, going so low as to rely on hearsay. It's all about controlling people's views, sowing seeds of doubt and distrust. Their MO is to keep slinging dirt, keep smearing, and whether or not it sticks, doesn't matter, just keep influencing public opinion to be negative towards Trump. All the while they're running on nothing except "free shit".

I'm about to get a little morbid here, but I'd even be willing to bet that if somebody managed to assassinate the president, they'd probably be ecstatic or try their hardest to conceal their glee. That is how deep the derangement runs, it's down to the core. The saddest part? Ask some people why they genuinely hate Orange Man. A lot of them don't even know why, they just know they're supposed to.



It's like Democrats are having a psychotic breakdown.

This post was edited by CarsV on Sep 25 2019 02:53pm

Hint: the "transcript" is not a transcript. It's white house notes dictated by Donald Trump paraphrasing the conversation.