Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 11 2019 02:45pm)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/adam-schiffs-staff-includes-2-aides-who-worked-with-whistleblower-at-white-house

https://i.imgur.com/xgK7tWY.png

Its a very small world

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 11 Oct 2019 15:53)

deep state creatures ("career officials") keep trying to undermine the one president who acts against the interests of the deep state. confirmation for their integrity, according to you.



your argument would make sense at face value if one looked only at the last 10 or so years. but the reality is that most administrations had their fair share of corrupt actions (does anyone seriously think no other president has ever pressured a foreign country to behave in his interest?)

does anyone remember the GWB administration, how it was deceiving and scheming to drag the country into the Iraq war - a war in which they had concrete, private investments? they started an unnecessary war which filled their own pockets, yet there was no noticeable uptick in leaks. if all those oh-so-righteous "career officials" in the state and defense department were really just leaking against the Trump administration because of its unprecedented corruption, then why didnt they leak and try to undermind the Iraq war to at least the same degree?

similar story with Reagan, Nixon, Johnson and Kennedy, who all had their scandals and crooked actions, but were largely acting in line with the deep state, and consequently didnt face large-scale leaking.

Quote (Goomshill @ 11 Oct 2019 20:45)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/adam-schiffs-staff-includes-2-aides-who-worked-with-whistleblower-at-white-house

https://i.imgur.com/xgK7tWY.png

Its a very small world

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Oct 11 2019 03:27pm)

So the only thing you can do is to attack the sources using tedious papers ?

Quote (fender @ 11 Oct 2019 21:12)

oh i guess it was the 'deep state' then who made the white house publish a cleaned up version of the phone call that STILL confirms what the whistle blower alleges? it was the 'deep state' that made trump go on national television to double down on his illegal demand for foreign aid for his campaign?

what is trump doing that has the evil 'deep state' so upset that it mind controls him to be the biggest crook to ever disgrace the office? i'm really curious to learn what your version of it is...

http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Tin-Foil-MAGA-Hat-720x720.jpg

Quote (Skinned @ 11 Oct 2019 20:54)

All the ad hominem lol.

Quote (Ghot @ 12 Oct 2019 01:51)

It's called conflict of interest. It's illegal.

Quote (Ghot @ 12 Oct 2019 01:51)

It's called conflict of interest. It's illegal.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 11 2019 09:54pm)

wait a second, your argument was basically that "the unprecedented level of leaking during the trump administration shows that it is unprecedentedly corrupt" - and now you have suddenly moved the goalposts to "no matter the deep state involvement in this, Trump is guilty, and that's all that matters".




so, once again: I'm not saying that the deep state is mind controlling Trump and forcing him to act in questionable fashion - my point is that most previous presidents have done similarly questionable things without being leaked on by deep staters, simply because these previous presidents were more aligned with the goals of the deep state.


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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/06/trump-ukraine-investigate-rival-229341

no, it is not automatically illegal, even though it might very well be in this case here. and yes, as the article describes, impeachment and public opinion will hinge on Trump's movitation for his request to the Ukrainians - and for the assessment of whether he was acting with corrupt intent, the partisanship of the person providing info on the phone call does play a role. him being a person heavily tied with Biden and Schiff does lower the credibility of his recount.

Quote (Goomshill @ 13 Oct 2019 18:29)

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/465552-sondland-to-tell-congress-no-quid-pro-quo-from-trump-report

So apparently in some backwards logic democrats decided that the most damning part of his testimony was when he said that Trump explicitly told his ambassador in private there would be no quid pro quos, and shared that with other diplomatic staff
That is for whatever reason the most trending story in the left circles right now,

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Sondland is expected to say that for months before the Sept. 9 message, he worked at the direction of Rudolph W. Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney, to secure what he would call in another text message the “deliverable” sought by Trump: a public statement from Ukraine that it would investigate corruption, including mentioning Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, by name. In exchange for the statement, the president would grant Ukraine’s new president a coveted White House audience.

“It was a quid pro quo, but not a corrupt one,” the person familiar with Sondland’s testimony said.