Quote (fender @ 11 Oct 2019 08:57)
stop fooling yourself. each administration heavily relies on professionals that are lifelong members of the other party, and only now they suddenly decide to leak like crazy? because there simply was no resentment for obama?! you can't possibly be that naive. the thing that changed is that the current administration is not only highly incompetent, but also regularly acts like the corrupt crooks they are, with a complete disregard for the rule of law and separation of powers. that's why we see all those leaks, not because republicans are saints without a partisan bone in their body. is it opposite day again in trump country?!
deep state creatures ("career officials") keep trying to undermine the one president who acts against the interests of the deep state. confirmation for their integrity, according to you.
your argument would make sense at face value if one looked only at the last 10 or so years. but the reality is that most administrations had their fair share of corrupt actions (does anyone seriously think no other president has ever pressured a foreign country to behave in his interest?)
does anyone remember the GWB administration, how it was deceiving and scheming to drag the country into the Iraq war - a war in which they had concrete, private investments? they started an unnecessary war which filled their own pockets, yet there was no noticeable uptick in leaks. if all those oh-so-righteous "career officials" in the state and defense department were really just leaking against the Trump administration because of its unprecedented corruption, then why didnt they leak and try to undermind the Iraq war to at least the same degree?
similar story with Reagan, Nixon, Johnson and Kennedy, who all had their scandals and crooked actions, but were largely acting in line with the deep state, and consequently didnt face large-scale leaking.
Quote (IceMage @ 11 Oct 2019 09:43)
Also, many of the leaks come from inside the White House. One of Trump's most trusted advisers(Madeleine Westerhout) reportedly was sobbing at the RNC the night Trump got elected(she was fired weeks ago for talking shit about Trump's family). The acting chief of staff called Trump a terrible person during the campaign. Trump's Secretary of State during the campaign said Trump would be an authoritarian president. Do we need to discuss how many of Trump's cabinet members have called him a fucking moron or an idiot?
There's a couple of true believers around Trump(his family, Stephen Miller, etc). Everybody else is just along for the ride, trying to do the best they can for the country. They know he's an incompetent buffoon, and they're eager to tell their journalist friends about it.
Agreed. Trump's primary triumph in 2015/16 was basically a hostile takeover of the Republican Party. They are in for the ride because they have no other choice. Which perfectly explains why they try to prevent Trump from pulling off any true realignment of the party platform or US foreign policy. These leakers are not some noble knights in a shining armor, they are partisan creatures serving their own interests, and no, they are not truly members of "Team Trump" despite formally belonging to the same party.
Of course one has to admit that Trump indeed is an incompetent buffoon who's making it awfully easy for his adversaries to find and publicize dirt on him. As I said above: many previous presidents did similarly corrupt things - they just werent as stupid and clumsy about it as Trump and at least prevented themselves from being caught red-handed.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 11 2019 07:55am