Most Christians don't want a theocracy. They don't want one now and they didn't want one then. I as a Christian do not want the Church and government to be the same entity. The founders where aware of the various types of sects of Christianity and some of the divisions and distinctions. They've seen the errors of the Crown in proclaiming one sect as the official religion, so they stayed away from doing the same.

They didn't make one sect of Christianity the official because they wanted a strong union without giving certain sects reason to split away and create strife in a young republic. But to you, in your sophomoric understanding that means they somehow rejected Christianity.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 7 2019 09:17pm

It's a simple fact that a large portion of the founders rejected Christianity, at least in the sense that they didn't ascribe to it as a religion. Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, etc.

And they also rejected using religion as a foundation for their governmental system.

Simple facts are irrelevant without context. Again, it’s easy to understand why they rejected having a single religion(some sect of Christianity) when they were literate of what happened with the British Crown & Catholics, Martin Luther vs the Catholic Church, the Spanish Inquisition and so on.

Christianity was foundational considering almost all of the colonists and many of the founders were Christian. Much of our jurisprudence system was affected by other systems who based their notion of human rights and property rights on Christianity.

You can keep trying to revise history because you don’t like Christians and are bothered by how much impact Christianity had on the world but that just makes you look like a neckbeard.

You are confusing "they were Christian" with "their ideas were based on their Christianity". The ideas modern democracy is based on have no basis on Christianity outside of the concepts like "don't murder" that are common to all societies.

If you want a society that is more based on Christian principles go back to monarchy where authority is divinely mandated. "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God."



This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 7 2019 10:27pm

your flat wrong and delusional if you think morality is based on religion

*you’re

Agreed, but Individualism, Capitalism, and Western Democracy have very Christian roots. Democracy also has very Greek roots. The Christian church is very influenced by Hellenic culture. Capitalism itself is described well in The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Weber, and is traced back to ideas of predestination based on the preaching of John Calvin when the Protestants were exploding in population everywhere during and after their Reformation.

American society is very much based in those things. American society struggles with morality though. Morality and religion aren't the same, but religion is the source of ethics to those Divine Command Theory people, which is a theory in Ethics. I'm more of a deontologist.

You can trace the support of capitalism and markets back to conservative writers defending the monarchies of old. Basically the thought was "the peasants are revolting, so lets use markets to establish hierarchy instead of bloodlines so nobody can complain and the already rich will stay in power because they start with the most anyway".

Its pretty surreal to read and realize wealth inequality was pretty explicitly a way to carry over the status of monarchs into a more modern world. And even funnier how few conservatives realize theyre peasants getting duped into supporting the system designed to retain the hierarchies of old at their own expense.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 8 2019 04:50am

Evil monopoly men huh

Nah, conservative philosophers.