Quote (Black XistenZ @ 3 Dec 2020 18:36)

But Kamala also ticks all the boxes, and unlike AOC, she has the support of corporate Democrats and the mainstream media. For example, do you seriously think Jeff Bezos will instruct his lapdogs at the Washington compost to write up AOC when he could instead have his dream candidate Kamala, who will happily incarcerate droves of black and brown people and enlist them for slave labor in his logistics centers? :rofl:

Buttigieg might be a suitable running mate for Kamala though. He's a McKinsey alumni, so he has the right pedigree for this kind of ticket.

Quote (excellence @ 4 Dec 2020 01:25)

shes a crooked cop who will call you a racist one minute and then some sort of civil rights icon the next. that ticks no box. only sociopaths like people like that

AOC is savvier than Kamala could ever dream of being. Although she has a higher chance of becoming disillusioned and burning out before 2024 anyway, especially after we start reupping military escalations in brown countries that didnt bother us if harris/biden get their way.

screw the mainstream media. yeah that’s right i said it. they go with the flow anyway.

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(CNN)The White House liaison to the Justice Department has been barred from entering the building after she attempted to access sensitive information about possible election fraud, CNN has learned.

Heidi Stirrup was put in the position after chief of staff Mark Meadows informed federal agencies in September the White House was replacing all of their liaisons, which was widely seen as a move to install loyalists in the roles. But after only a short time on the job, Stirrup is no longer allowed at the Justice Department after she attempted to secure information that she was not privy to regarding potential voter fraud cases, a person familiar with the matter told CNN.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 3 Dec 2020 20:06)

The mainstream media does not go WITH the flow, it tries to CREATE the flow. One might even say they ARE the flow. Anyway, their job is to provide the narrative/framing that the powers that be want at any given moment, and to steer the energy and debate in the political sphere in a direction that serves these interests. In the 90s, they were cheerleading for NAFTA, in the 2000s, they were cheerleading for the Iraq war, and in the 2010s, they were pushing identity politics as a distraction from class conflict/occupy wall street etc.

What will the 2020s bring? My bet is (even more) climate change stuff, which is supposed to serve as a door opener for planned economies. On top of that, climate change is also a great vehicle for the transfer of power from elected officials to unaccountable technocrats, and for a transfer of national sovereignty to supranational entities like the UN or the EU.

Quote (excellence @ 4 Dec 2020 03:11)

they try and want but dont

they wanted hillary in 2008 and only pivoted to obama when it was clear he was gonna win. they sure as hell didnt want someone with a darker skin tone jacking the nomination!
they again wanted to anoint hillary in 2016 and only put trump on tv cuz he was good for ratings. then they realized they had been suckered and have been butthurt ever since lmao

the rest of that paragraph seems to say they go with the flow though :p

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 3 Dec 2020 21:48)

I think you're really underestimating the power of the media. For example, would an autistic girl from Sweden holding a shield up in front of their parliament ever have taken off and started a worldwide movement without the press giving her a platform, expanding her reach and showering her in glowing praise?

Quote (excellence @ Dec 4 2020 03:11pm)

they try and want but dont

they wanted hillary in 2008 and only pivoted to obama when it was clear he was gonna win. they sure as hell didnt want someone with a darker skin tone jacking the nomination!
they again wanted to anoint hillary in 2016 and only put trump on tv cuz he was good for ratings. then they realized they had been suckered and have been butthurt ever since lmao

the rest of that paragraph seems to say they go with the flow though :p

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 3 2020 08:48pm)

I think you're really underestimating the power of the media. For example, would an autistic girl from Sweden narcissistic reality TV star from New York holding a shield up in front of their parliament ever have taken off, been elected President of the United States, and started a worldwide movement without the press giving her him a platform, expanding her his reach and showering her him in glowing praise?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 3 2020 11:07am)

- the base is still energized as fuck, and as long as the party nominates the right candidate, someone who is able to strike populist tones without being an incompetent, erratic nutcase, they have a very good shot at winning back the WH in 2024.
- the party made its biggest inroads with latinos and even blacks in decades. with Donald freakin' Trump at the top of the ticket. in spite of a huge health crisis on which the GOP president completely dropped the ball.
- the 2018 and 2020 elections have made it clear that the voter realignment we saw under Trump is here to stay. fortunately for the GOP, this realignment exacerbates their structural advantages in the electoral college and the Senate.
- the party had a really good year in state legislatures, ahead of redistricting - which means that they can consolidate their power for another decade.
- in most critical Senate and House races, the downballot Republicans ran ahead of Trump, showing that the 2020 election was more a repudiation of Trump the person rather than Trumpism the principle. the GOP brand doesnt seem damaged as badly as people like you thought (or hoped) it would be.
- the Democrats will have to govern with a president who's a lame duck since the day of his inauguration and an extraordinarly fractious coalition. we can already see their caucus being on each other's throat.
- structurally, the Democrats are now the party of college-educated white liberals to a larger degree than ever before. the influence of this group will hamper their ability to win back any of the WWC vote and cause them to struggle more and more with latino voters going forward.

Ideologically, neocon warmongering is dead and Koch-styled fiscal conservatism is dead as well - from my point of view, that's a good thing and will help rather than hurt the GOP going forward.

Another interesting effect of the Trump years is that they defused one of the party's major strategic long-term problems. For the longest time, most pundits thought that demographics were destiny and that the GOP would eventually lose its competitiveness without winning a larger share of the latino vote. But since immigration hawkishness was one of the major issues animating the party's white voter base, the GOP seemed destined to fade into irrelevance because it would be impossible to assemble the kind of coalition that it needs.

The fact that Donald "build the wall" Trump made large inroads with hispanics in 2020 while emphatically rejecting wokeism dispells this notion that the party needs to embrace amnesty and multiculturalism to appeal to latinos (something its WWC voters would never have accepted). Accidentally, Trump in 2020 has shown his party the obvious path forward: populism and nationalism which is open for based people of all colors, as opposed to white nationalism.

Quote (IceMage @ 4 Dec 2020 14:35)

Like I said, I don't view the health of a political party strictly by how well they do electorally. If 4 years of massive incompetence, corruption, and cruelty is rewarded with record turnout... that reveals something dark about American society. The Republican party and right-wing in general in this country the last 4 years has fallen pretty hard. These people are angrier, crazier, and more detached from reality than they were before Trump showed up. So while it's good electorally for Republicans that Trump brought new people out, and did well with Hispanics, it's not a positive indicator for the health of the Republican party, or democracy in general, moving forward.

Trump's support is predicated on his personality cult, negative partisanship, grievance politics, etc. He didn't even run a populist, nationalist campaign this time. How many times did he even bring up immigration or the wall? It was 24/7 grievance and "Dems bad". And it worked.