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Oct 7 2019 02:53am
Quote (GodSmiter @ Oct 7 2019 04:52am)
You watch Ben Shapiro?


Sometimes his own colleagues are even better ... michael knowles and matt walsh

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Oct 7 2019 02:58am
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Ben Shapiro is honestly really dumb. He grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth and his parents paid to get him on the radio when he was a teenager. I laugh my ass off any time he brings up hard working Americans


Pretty sure my own articulation, persuasion and just overall advanced communication and reasoning skills have improved from listening to him speak. Not exactly things you get from dumb people...

But id rather listen to him any day of the week than somebody like don Lennon, Andersen cooper, chris Cuomo, Stephen colbert even who isnt even a journalist. Part of the reason i stopped watching john oliver is his shit got too politicized. Sucks because he was funny

Idk how you all think the way you do of trump tbh... other than being manchildren
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Oct 7 2019 03:11am
Quote (Duckling @ Oct 7 2019 03:58am)
Pretty sure my own articulation, persuasion and just overall advanced communication and reasoning skills have improved from listening to him speak. Not exactly things you get from dumb people...

But id rather listen to him any day of the week than somebody like don Lennon, Andersen cooper, chris Cuomo, Stephen colbert even who isnt even a journalist. Part of the reason i stopped watching john oliver is his shit got too politicized. Sucks because he was funny

Idk how you all think the way you do of trump tbh... other than being manchildren


In what way do I think of Trump that brings you to that conclusion?

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 7 2019 03:12am
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Oct 7 2019 05:18am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 7 Oct 2019 10:52)
Ben Shapiro is honestly really dumb. He grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth and his parents paid to get him on the radio when he was a teenager. I laugh my ass off any time he brings up hard working Americans


It's better to exteriorize your masochism i guess ?
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Oct 7 2019 08:38am
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1. Officials go to the intel committees for guidance concerning whistle blowing somewhat frequently. Schiff's aide heard the outline of the complaint, and recommended he go to the ICIG. There's nothing improper about that. And a whistle blower reporting an abuse of power by the president and his employees is not evidence of political bias.
2. The whistle blower used the old form, and the law makes clear you don't need first hand information to make a complaint. The Federalist got the article wrong. If you're going to read propaganda, at least supplement it with fact-based reporting.
3. It's the duty of officials to report wrongdoing and corrupt behavior. They're supposed to do it through the whistle blower process. Then the ICIG determines whether it's credible. Anyone interested in good government should support that process.
4. Maybe the explicit quid pro quo is the line for you, but Democrats and many Americans feel differently. And if there was an explicit, obvious quid pro quo you would just find a way to justify that.
5. I don't know what the last sentence is referring to.

Why am I the only one on PaRD who combats the endless misinformation. Does no one else follow the news closely?



1. If there's nothing improper about it, why did the whistleblower lie? Why did Schiff omit his office's role in the affair?
2. Please source this.
3. Difference of opinion. Reporting illegal acts versus exposing your boss based on hearsay because you want to drive him out of office. The bureaucracy's overriding responsibility is to be impartial and execute the designs of the president. The democratic party put forward an awful candidate and ran on divisive identity politics. Their responsibility is to identity the root cause of their failure and fix it, not subvert the result of the election.
4. "I know I'm wrong, but I think you'd argue like this even if I was right." Lol.
5. Investigation into Russian collusion.
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Oct 7 2019 08:43am
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1. If there's nothing improper about it, why did the whistleblower lie? Why did Schiff omit his office's role in the affair?
2. Please source this.
3. Difference of opinion. Reporting illegal acts versus exposing your boss based on hearsay because you want to drive him out of office. The bureaucracy's overriding responsibility is to be impartial and execute the designs of the president. The democratic party put forward an awful candidate and ran on divisive identity politics. Their responsibility is to identity the root cause of their failure and fix it, not subvert the result of the election.
4. "I know I'm wrong, but I think you'd argue like this even if I was right." Lol.
5. Investigation into Russian collusion.


A report based on hearsay is perfectly valid in this case. We're opening an investigation, not testifying in court. The hearsay criticism is a perfect example of how the Trump defenders will desparately scrape the bottom of the barrel for any way to discredit any allegation against Trump regardless of merit.
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Oct 7 2019 09:05am
https://www.theblaze.com/glenn-radio/dnc-ukraine-collusion-sytnyk

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Kolya: Did they, those Russians, help Trump? Your people?

Sytnyk: I think they did. Yeah. I helped him, too. Not him, but Hillary. I helped her.

Kolya: Yeah. Right. Then her position tottered, right?

Sytnyk: Well, this is how they write about it, right.

Ivan: Hillary's humanitarian aid ... [indiscernible.]

Kolya: Well, I'm about ... the commentaries. At the time, we were not [indiscernible.]

Sytnyk: Trump ... his purely inner problem ... issue ... they dominate over the external matters. While Hillary, she is -- how shall I put it? She belongs to the cohort of politicians who comprise the hegemony in the US. Both in the US and the entire world, right? For us, it's ... sort of ... better. For Americans ... what Trump is doing is better for them.

Kolya: Well, we have lots of those American experts here now ... [indiscernible.]

Sytnyk: Well, there, you see why Hillary lost the elections? I was in charge of the investigation of their "black accounting" records. We made the Manafort's data available to general public.

Kolya: So what?

Sytnyk: He was imprisoned. Manafort then was the head of the Supreme Headquarter of Trump, right? Then he was dismissed, too, including due to the "black accounting." After that, he was sentenced to 80 years of imprisonment term. How about Trump? Did he not give a s***. They have their system working there and it works smoothly.

Kolya: Everybody worked smoothly there.

Sytnyk: And when they carried out the elections, a week before the elections, the FBI reopened the investigation in respect of Hillary. So her rating dropped for 7 percent and that's why Trump managed to win the elections at a pinch. I'm still unable to understand why he's fighting with the FBI. They try to catch him on the hand. If it were not the FBI, he would not have won the elections. They torpedoed Hillary's ratings for 7 percent.
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Oct 7 2019 09:43am
Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 7 2019 10:38am)
1. If there's nothing improper about it, why did the whistleblower lie? Why did Schiff omit his office's role in the affair?
2. Please source this.
3. Difference of opinion. Reporting illegal acts versus exposing your boss based on hearsay because you want to drive him out of office. The bureaucracy's overriding responsibility is to be impartial and execute the designs of the president. The democratic party put forward an awful candidate and ran on divisive identity politics. Their responsibility is to identity the root cause of their failure and fix it, not subvert the result of the election.
4. "I know I'm wrong, but I think you'd argue like this even if I was right." Lol.
5. Investigation into Russian collusion.


1. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to conceal the contact with the senate intel aide, first because it wasn't improper, second because it was reasonable to expect that it would be revealed. Remember, the whistle blower didn't give the complaint to the aide, he spoke with the person and provided an outline of what the complaint would be.
2. http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81878773&f=119&p=550541383
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Oct 7 2019 09:56am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 7 2019 11:43am)
1. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to conceal the contact with the senate intel aide, first because it wasn't improper, second because it was reasonable to expect that it would be revealed. Remember, the whistle blower didn't give the complaint to the aide, he spoke with the person and provided an outline of what the complaint would be.
2. http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81878773&f=119&p=550541383


And yet the contact was concealed, both by the whistleblower (perjury) and Schiff (what do you expect?).

It certainly looks bad that the "whistleblower" had to be advised to file a whistleblower complaint, their first instinct was to go to to Schiff's office, conceal the allegations from Republicans on the committee, and ask what they should do.

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Quote (IceMage @ Oct 7 2019 10:43am)
1. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to conceal the contact with the senate intel aide, first because it wasn't improper, second because it was reasonable to expect that it would be revealed. Remember, the whistle blower didn't give the complaint to the aide, he spoke with the person and provided an outline of what the complaint would be.
2. http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81878773&f=119&p=550541383


Schiff was plainly aware of the details of the complaint before it broke, he was tweeting about it. It seems like a quibble over the distinction between "The whistleblower told Schiff's office everything that would be the basis for his complaint" and "The whistleblower didn't provide Schiff's office with the text of his complaint that he later wrote and provided to the IG". That's irrelevant. The statute is there to stop people from leaking the details to partisans in congress in the first place, not to strictly enforce some insane bureaucratic paper trail. The only facts that matter are that Schiff was given the information about the Trump/Ukraine call and alleged quid pro quo before that was given to the IG, and that Schiff didn't disclose it to the rest of the committee.

From where I'm standing, it seems likely that this 'whistleblower' was actually a long-term leaker who had been spying on Trump for Schiff's office for some time now and probably leaked previous transcripts, and they just dreamed up the bright idea of formalizing a complaint into a whistleblower report and using that for impeachment.
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