Difficult situation for the police. You have a guy returning fire at you, and your job is to to end the threat.

A lot of potential collateral damage present.

Feel bad for the UPS guy and his family.
All around feel bad for everybody involved with that.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Dec 7 2019 08:39am

Police officers can earn wages in the teens, which is a major reason that nobody wishes to be one and the ones they get are often unprofessional. We are talking 30k salaries for a difficult job.

It is such a high stress job police officers should have a lot more support.

Not that job difficulty reflects value....But I for one value not having bricks thrown through windows.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 7 2019 08:40am

Topic title makes it pretty obvious that OP wants to marginalize cops.

A lot of police don't do it for the current pay, they do do it because they want to help their community and want to make a difference. Policing is supposed to be about community policing, and that's what departments want. Building good rapport with the community is essential. The public is what helps identify crimes and criminals. Without public support, the police will suffer.

When you have people that don't believe in the police, more incidents occur as well. Which is why I have a huge problem with BLM. You're getting black people killed by portraying that all police do is want to kill black people. It creates a fear mongering culture. So now, those individuals are going to act differently when they are confronted by police, which in turn, causes assaults on police, resisting arrest, etc. Anyways, off topic.

But yes. Extremely high stress job, in some cases poor public support. Major political figures that demean the police. We have police officers that were getting buckets of water thrown over their head in New York. I find that sad and demeaning.

You are right about the wage amount though, they deserve far more.
There definitely are intelligent well-qualified people who will say, why would I do this job when I can make more doing something else? Not have the stress, the risk, difficult schedule, etc.

That does make it hard for departments to get more well-qualified individuals.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Dec 7 2019 08:56am

Not all of em do it for the community though. Plenty of wannabe warriors who are looking to be the biggest baddest cop in town, along with the actual genuine caring cops.

Interview with the father of the UPS driver:

That is true, there are some bad officers out there. I like to think the far overwhelming amount are good, but when you have an officer that isn't in the right mindset for the job, bad things happen.

As an example the shooting in, I believe Nevada with the hotel and the drunk man that came crawling down the hall, I know one of the officers had a dust cover that said "you're fucked" or something along those lines written on it, extremely unprofessional and that makes me question him immediately. The whole case was bad and handled poorly.

But. Departments do a pretty extensive interview process, mental health evaluations and more however. At least in Minnesota. I can't say that will always guarantee that a mistake is never made.

Anyways. I watched the interview, and I did watch the actual shooting incident video basically right away after my first post prior to editing (should have watched it first oops).

But yes, based on what I've seen on that video. I will say, that at the specific time, the UPS driver came crawling out of the vehicle, there needed to be better placed shots. So much risk of collateral damage. I'm not sure what happened there, if people just started spraying when they saw both present, or what.

Regardless, the fact that a wall placed shot wasn't placed on the robber and that the UPS man, based on the video and what I'm seeing and speculating on that, I believe was shot by the police is tragic. In that moment where they both were exiting, that part was handled poorly.

Can't really comment on the rest of it, since I haven't seen it.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Dec 7 2019 09:19am

I think they should be better compensated and since they use their bodies for violent work on behalf of us al I feel like they should have more accessible healthcare than normal. I feel the same for trash collectors and the physical abuse they put themselves though on our behalf. Both are taking out the trash and are worse for the wear from doing it.



This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 7 2019 09:22am

No, not really? See my latest post.

I edited out my criticism.

I find UPS's public response to be a bit strange, given the circumstances (emphasis mine):



https://www.facebook.com/ups/photos/a.217043341643310/3056494374364845/?type=3&theater

Seems rather odd to me to "appreciate" the "service" which was the cause of the driver's demise.