We've been over the Covid issue already. Lockdowns were done because the alternatives were actively ignored by the powers that be. Lockdowns are not something you do because you've had a well run pandemic response. They're what you do when your hospital systems are overloaded from a poor response. I.e. most of the western world.

I don't think you appreciate how drastic the economic impact of climate change is going to be, and how long we've gone without the necessary investment. It's gonna get very bad very soon. We are literally on the verge of the aquafer in the central U.S. running out of water, and the Colorado river drying up in the summer. That's literally hundreds of millions of people without water. Compared to the cost we will see in climate change in the next 20-50 years. Shit's going to get very bad much quicker than people want to acknowledge. The science on this issue is actually settled, even though you seem to deny that's the case, and has been settled for a long time. The economic impact of not taking drastic steps to mitigate climate change will dwarf the economic impact of radically reshaping our economy to renewables and curtailing our consumption.


Also

REPUBLICANS STILL ACTIVELY DENY THAT CLIMATE CHANGE EVEN EXISTS SO WE CAN'T HAVE A REASONED DEBATE ABOUT THE BEST SOLUTION.

I've said the bolded to you about 10 times now but you don't seem to ever actually acknowledge it. That's why we aren't having reasoned debates about the best way to mitigate. All of Republicans and about half of Democrats are still refusing to take even basic steps to mitigate for fear it will piss off their oil overlords that fund their campaigns.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Oct 8 2021 06:37pm

Lockdowns being without alternative is how things were presented by the vast majority of the liberal media and liberal politicians. TTI regimes like in South Korea were not part of the debate, it's also questionable if this approach would have worked without being an island and with a much less compliant populace.



The South West being struck by years-long droughts is not to be blamed exclusively on climate change, afaik, that's how the region always used to be. An exploding population and a huge waste of water surely didn't help either. But yeah, the cold hard truth probably is that the South Western US do not possess enough water reserves to sustain their current population in the long run. In this sense, cities like Las Vegas or Phoenix might figuratively be built on sand.

This is not an example which can easily be generalized to other world regions, Europe in particular. To be fair though: maybe I'm arguing from a selfish perspective. I'm living in southern Germany, 500 meter above sea level, protected from hurricances or tornados by various mountain ranges, in a region which overabundant water. The prospect of "it's getting hotter and your climate will become like that of Northern Italy" isn't exactly scary.




I get your point, believe me or not, I really do. What you don't seem to understand, however, is that shouting at the other side that they are selfish, ignorant, corrupt bums is not productive. Morally charging the subject and presenting it as a factual constraint that will necessitate all sorts of left-wing policy is not helpful if your goal is to foster a productive, bipartisan debate on solutions.


In the medium-term future, conservative parties which don't have an answer of their own for the climate issue will be punished at the ballot box until they do.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 8 2021 06:47pm

nothing but conjecture and there is no such thing as "science being settled", thats against the main foundation of science itself, nothing is ever settled

with the technical solutions we have there is no excuse anymore to not have water, you are just repeating the stupid panic propaganda

the southwest of the states does not have enough have water? good thing they have unrestricted access to the biggest ocean on earth and something called desalination does exist

aside from that, whatever change might happen can also lead to more rainfall

This post was edited by JohnnyMcCoy on Oct 8 2021 07:26pm

al gore sits in his multi million dollar beach front estate that never flooded smoking a big ol stogie and is laughing at you
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the shit shot and its endless side effects
She says this is what happens when you get the vaccine. The Burning she feels is Lucifer's-Race
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4SRrPdCW1rbK/

This post was edited by TiStuff on Oct 8 2021 07:33pm

Coming to a state or province near you ~ https://twitter.com/gluboco/status/1446134032027176965

Hopefully this has to do with flattening the curve

unsure of what your point is. get vaccinated.

lol at that user screaming in all caps when he believed stuff like this:



meanwhile everyone pushing climate change as for why everyone else needs to change their ways attends this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/sun-valley-allen-co-conference-private-jets-airport-delays-2021-7%3famp

Sun Valley's airport is so overrun with private jets arriving for 'summer camp for billionaires' that the FAA had to delay incoming planes



sounds like a horror movie

another epic prediction

facepalm

Hard to avoid lockdowns when you don't even try contact tracing and testing. At least in the U.S. we actively rejected the WHO's testing apparatus in favor of taking months to develop our own new test.

The South West is not being struck with droughts in this scenario. It is being struck with no water from any source. The aquafer is what you drill into to get well water and is a source of water for millions of people across over a dozen states. The colorado hasn't ever dried up completely and when it gets low the Hoover Dam is a resevoir to supply for massive areas. Rain doesn't factor into the availability.... yet.

This isn't just a "U.S." problem either. Massive swaths of the Middle East are going to dry up because of first-world oil use. You think the immigration issue is contentious now, just wait until you have a million refugees a year at your door in addition to all the ones you do now because a lot of the planet became fundamentally unlivable.

Republicans are selfish and corrupt bums, and their voters were easily manipulated. The reason we have this issue is because of a propaganda campaign from the 70's to now about how global warming really isn't that bad, and instead of listening to the experts Republicans chose to actively ignore the evidence. Even Margaret Thatcher acknowledged the issue while Reagan and Republicans actively ignored it. Democrats were better until the 90's, at which point they got worse mostly because Republicans made it clear they would obstruct absolutely everything in relation to climate change. (Reminder that the Democrat presidential candidate that won an actually stolen election made an active attempt to educate people) Reagan took down the solar panel installed on the white house roof by Jimmy Carter and it now sits in a Chinese museum owned by a solar panel billionaire. If that isn't just beautiful irony I don't know what is.


So no, I don't think you get it. Neither in magnitude, scope, or the history of what's lead us here. If you did you wouldn't be criticizing the left for saying we need drastic action, because "the science says we need drastic action".

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Oct 8 2021 11:16pm

its not a vaccine its a mRNA experiment, say "squeak"